Two Days and the Brainwashing Has Begun

[onionsoupmix]

This past week was Parshas Shoftim and so in parsha class this past Friday, my daughter learned about the Jewish legal system

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[ext_756641]

Also I want to add that since the fall of the Soviet Union, American education has been that of political indoctrination. Texts have to have the right amount of Negros in them and Negro authors. Quality is no longer a goal of American education.
Anthologies of literature are in general trivial crap.
So if Jewish schools use this opportunity to do their own indoctrination I am not surprised.
In any case it after all only the children who are suffering and who gives a damn about them anyway?

[onionsoupmix]

I don't think texts have to have a certain amount of black people in them. I think the goal is to depict a more accurate version of history and discuss the experiences of everyone- blacks, women, other minorities and not just talk about the historical experiences of white men.

[onionsoupmix]

I'd be interested in reading the book.

[mrn613]

We told you to make an effort to get your kids into the MO school but you couldn't be bothered. I guess you are missing the irony that you were complaining the MO school was intolerant of right-wing Orthodox like yourself and now you are complaining that the right wing Orthodox are intolerant of Reform and Conservative Jews?

[onionsoupmix]

You keep missing the point. No matter how many times I explain it, you still keep missing the damn point. I want my kids in a school where tolerance is the norm. In my last post I expressed disappointment that it wasn't the MO school and that maybe this means I DON'T want my kids there. Here I am expressing just how intolerance this beis yaakov is, two days in they are already bashing the others. There is no irony at all, both schools have their problems.

[mrn613]

sorry about deleting and reposting, I wanted to change what I wrote:

I'm not missing the point. I don't the MO was intolerant at all. I think that they thought YOU GUYS were the ones that were intolerant of non-right-wing Jews. Neither of us really know what happened when your husband went in but given what you've said about him trying to change the caterer to one that was CY/PY I would imagine he came off as demanding, no? And then when we suggested you swallow your pride and explain to the school that it was mistake, you chose not to.

It is obvious that you care deeply about your kids. I know what types of schools these two schools are, from my own personal experience, and I think they need to be at the MO school. I would still try to transfer them even though school has already started. I checked and on facebook we actually are not friends -- you are friends with my defunct account and you declined my friend request from my new account.

[mrn613]

Despite the fact that I recently transferred my kids from an MO school to a non-MO school, I am not anti-MO schools in general because they are one million times more tolerant of outside influences than right-wing schools. Even if the principal does not say this to your face, when you say you want your kids' teachers not to bash Reform/conservative relatives, she will be thinking to herself that you need to disassociate yourselves from these relatives or your girls will not get a shidduch. I would not send my kids to a school like that, the school that they are going to is very tolerant of MO. In fact about 1/3 of the school is associated with YU in some way. When I spoke to the administrator about tuition he said that he was GRATEFUL to parents outside his kehilla for enrolling their children, because without us the school could not continue. This is not the case in your situation.

[anonymous]

Tell them about judge David Schmidt of the New York State Supreme Court in Brooklyn who is an Orthodox Jew. Print out this great story and bring to them:
http://www.jstandard.com/content/item/full_court_prayer_a_tale_of_jewish_unity

[yidmama]

how about an argument - many of my family members are lawyers and this assestion offends.
My experience is that nothing gets taken out on children, if i speak up about my concerns. Quite the opposite is true. Teachers are more careful because they are worried.

[mrn613]

hah we had exactly the opposite experience this year. when we complained that a teacher was coming in more than 1/2 hour late every day, that teacher started doing stuff like sending my daughter to the principal's office for infractions like twiddling with the erasers in her desk!

[yidmama]

Well, come to think of it, i never complained about the teacher to someone. I always complained directly to the teacher. When she said things i thought were wrong, and when she did things I disagreed with. It never went to the principle. However, I even sent emails, so that everything I am unhappy with was in writing. It happened a few times. Maybe it is better to speak to the teacher herself first.

Keep mum

[vz85]

As an aside, I have a meeting tomorrow morning with the principal. She says she likes to meet with new parents and talk about the upcoming year, etc, etc. I don't know how much of this I should bring up and discuss, if at all. From what I understand, she is a very imposing figure and takes things personally and will hold anything critical I say against my child. Some people have advised that I play the relatives card- "our relatives are reform and conservative so we are sensitive to this, blah, blah, blah..."I don't know what you intend to say exactly, but you might be best off saying nothing at all. What are the odds you'll change the environment at this particular school in a positive way? Make sure you aren't conflating your own need to say something critical with your child's needs. The principal is probably a combative hardliner riding a high horse. She doesn't sound like a sensitive or considerate soul. She may insist that your child not be shielded from the glorious truths contained within authentic Judaism regardless of

Re: Keep mum

[vz85]

At the very least, I would hold off saying anything negative for a time. Creating a stink before you've developed a rapport with the people at the school is probably the quickest way to make the situation more difficult. It's too soon to act.