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May 19, 2007 01:24

Ron Paul is the only republican presidential candidate to oppose the war in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

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unblinkable May 19 2007, 02:46:11 UTC
Yeah. If the leader of the United States was killing hundreds of thousands of people, I'd hope another, stronger country would try to do something to save us, rather than sit back and say, "Well, we just don't understand the way they do things". :|

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ormopher May 19 2007, 12:06:46 UTC
A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred.

Of the total 655,000 estimated "excess deaths," 601,000 resulted from violence and the rest from disease and other causes, according to the study. This is about 500 unexpected violent deaths per day throughout the country.

According to the survey results, Iraq's mortality rate in the year before the invasion was 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people; in the post-invasion period it was 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The difference between these rates was used to calculate "excess deaths."

According to the survey results, Iraq's mortality rate in the year before the invasion was 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people; in the post-invasion period it was 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The difference between these rates was used to calculate "excess deaths."Reply

I don't see who is being helped ormopher May 19 2007, 12:16:56 UTC
In the 9/11 attacks in addition to the 19 hijackers, 2,973 people died; another 24 are missing and presumed dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks

There have been 3,680 coalition deaths -- 3,406 Americans, two Australians, 148 Britons, 13 Bulgarians, seven Danes, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Fijian, one Hungarian, 32 Italians, one Kazakh, three Latvian, 19 Poles, two Romanians, five Salvadoran, four Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 18 Ukrainians -- in the war in Iraq as of May 18, 2007, according to a CNN count
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

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Re: I don't see who is being helped unblinkable May 19 2007, 15:24:16 UTC
A few things come to mind...

1. I wonder how many more people would have died if Sadaam had been left alone for 25 more years... and then his sons left alone for 25 more... and then their sons... and thiers...

2. Death is sometimes a part of healing. No one ever said that liberating people would be easy and pain-free. But what use is our wealth and power if we can't somehow use it to bring about an eventual better life for people all over the world? Yes, many people have died (but relatively few in the light of past war casualties)... and more will in the future... it's almost assured. But 15 years of "peacful talks" and "negotiations" also allowed hundreds of thousands to die.

3. I'm acutally not "for" or "against" the war. But I *am* pro ACTION... SOMETHING... in Iraq, in Darfur, in Liberia... wherever people are being hurt in the name of their "culture" and "leadership". And if it takes our soldiers to get it done, then so be it. Lord knows they tried for an awful long time NOT to put our military in harm's way.

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anonymous June 4 2007, 03:16:25 UTC
you're such a man! i have to go all the way to your wife's sight to find out about the baby! com'on we don't want political discussions, we want the baby scoop. :) Congratulations! Sara

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anonymous June 4 2007, 03:18:24 UTC
opps, i intended to write "site"

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