So, I was thinking...

[phnxdark23]

I had a major revelation today. Perhaps I saw it coming, perhaps it's a complete surprise. I'm not sure

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welcome

[jessachiah]

i feel like i should welcome you to the neighborhood or something.

[phnxdark23]

Cute quote from an excellent movie.

I'm not sure it's that simple, though. I'm not an atheist; as I mentioned, I still very much believe in God. I don't know what this makes me. I just wish that someone could give me any sort of answers.

Answers that pertain to the questions listed in the above post, mind you. I should really specify with this crowd. ;-)

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[peachy_boy]

You would probably classify yourself as "Theist"

Theist -> believes in God
Atheist -> doesn't

[jessachiah]

how quaint, a smiley face. :P

[turbo23]

I wrote this last night but couldn't send it from my computer because the itnernet is still all jacked up and won't let me send lots of text. But this is what I had to say

a fallacy of ignorance.

[jessachiah]

My biggest problem with christianity and the existence of God is not lack of evidence, that is a major fallacy in thought. My biggest problem is a lack of relevance. there are so many religions in the world, what makes christianity right. also to be a christian you have to recognize christ as the most wise and sagacious man alive (also the son of god), which, as wise as he was, i dont see him the most sage of all men. as for god, i see no difference in our modern view of god than the ancient greek view of their gods. i see it as a myth. yes, there are a crazy amount of coincidences that happened to create life on this planet, that does not prove an outside being for me though. (i dont think that last sentence made sense). anyways, i am still trying to hammer out the details of what i personally believe. its just, God never made sense to me. i always thought faith a cop out as well. now i am just thinking out loud.

Re: a fallacy of ignorance.

[turbo23]

well, I realize I am pointing out the obvious a bit here but, you don't think Jesus was the wisest of all men because you don't believe he was the son of God. I mean, if you believed he was and is, you have no choice really but to believe that we was the greatest man who ever lived. As for what makes Christianity right and all other religions wrong: there are very unique things about Christianity that you don't find in any other religion. There is no figure in any other religion like Jesus, for example. No other figure died and was resurrected. No other figure claimed to be the son of God (at least to my knowledge. I suppose I very well could be wrong. Please, anyone point it out to me if I am). No other religion de-emphasizes works so much as Christianity. And by Christianity I mean true, Biblically-based, Jesus-taught Christianity. I realize there are a lot of churches that talk about good works a lot. The fact is that they are just wrong. Your works count zero as get-me-into-heaven points. To me, this makes the most sense. How

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[jessachiah]

blah. there is no way for me to put up any sort of logical argument, because, for some reason, i lack both the power of thought and the command of language. i feel really shitty right now. daniel i would like to continue this conversation with you some other time, it is interesting to talk with someone who knows as much as you do. we will never agree, but its fun to talk. also, we need to do those drums sometime too.

[iskra]

Look into deism.

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[iskra]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=8&q=deism

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[peachy_boy]

It takes a lot to assert deism in my opinion. I honestly do not know anyone who actively maintains such a belief. But if anyone here does, I'm interested in hearing your perspective.

An assertion of theism is merely refuting atheism and it does not have to argue the specific properties or nature of God -- only God's existence. I do think it was good to point deism out though. It is definitely a viable alternative to Christianity.

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[sethirius]

That's what I'm leaning toward right now.