Well. Each person has to be responsible for their actions, so one has to surmise Angelica wanted her life to take the path it eventually did, and that she wanted Jack to "corrupt" her - since he's not the type to force a woman. So maybe she wanted to be a nun until she realized she could hang on to her faith and still do something non-religious with her life. I'm guessing she was actually going to be a nun and wasn't just there in waiting for her MRS degree. ;-)
It would be a struggle to picture her waiting for her MRS degree, but neither does she seem the holy-type either. If so, then why did she throw herself into being a pirate with such verve?
It could be a matter of "if I pray hard enough on Sunday, I can get away with anything the rest of the week," but she doesn't seem that self-conscious of her actions.
Believe it's "pious." Also, in the movie Sound of Music, Maria was also in a convent preparing to take her vows when she was sent to teach a family of children and fell in love with their father. A girl can always change her mind. If Angelica's story is true, she had no family and women of that time found precious little choice unless they were highly educated. They were either prostitutes or nuns. Besides, I doubt this is the first time Jack ever corrupted a "nun." In the first movie, as his list of crimes are read, "impersonating a clergy" brought a fond smile and a wicked chuckle! Prompting me to think that Jack played a little game of "confess your sins" in a church or convent.
Your idea on the impersonating is an intriguing one... except I think that was "impersonating a cleric of the Church of England." Impersonating a priest would have probably gotten Jack the Medal of Honor (or whatever the equivlent might have been) because there was no love lost between England and Spain. The Protestant vs. Catholic hatred was a cornerpiece of OST.
But what I think the spirit of your point is a good one: Jack wouldn't have hesitated to don a cassock and push his way in.
As for Angelica, I'd like to think of her as a little more complicated character than one with no family, drumming her fingers in a convent, the religious or the joy house kind.
Cleric, clergy, pretty close to the same thing! Agree with your point about the conflict between Protestant and Catholic, it's historical as well as the stuff of many movies.
Angelica might well be a little more complicated character. Certainly Cruz plays her as well as she can, but she was poorly written. I loved the movie, but found the dialogue in places and the overall new character development quite skimpy.
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My point exactly!!! Isn't that where the fandom kicks in? We've just been given a blank canvas. We need to start painting. The decision is where to start.
I have a problem with her, and this question is a part of it. What is she really thinks and wants, with her life, with Jack... I can't catch on her.
First, when I learned that she was in a convent, I interpreted it as "oh, so probably she was educated/raised there, a school for girls or maybe an orphanage". Then I heard about the vows and I was "WTF? She planned to stay there? She...?!". Nope, I don't buy this. She could think so, but I don't buy anyway.
Was she trying to convince Jack or herself?Probably herself, more than Jack. I think it can be the key issue for her character. For now, I see her like this: even if she wasn't a ward of the convent in her childhood, it impressed her very much. She became a real believer but it didn't turn out beneficial for her, in long term. I suppose she was teached to see life in black and white and she thinks that any departure from pious life is moral decline, no matter that pious life doesn't fit her nature. So, when she fell in love with Jack, she thought it was her fail, not to mention
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I think I see her in a little different light. The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy
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I see. Your Angelica is more wicked, my - more hesitant and lost, then. Heh, it's also possible that I just can't really accept her as truly sly & villainous. Long before OST I've been very skeptical about all that 'Jack's equal' or rather 'someone like Jack', woman or no. Still I am, deep in heart, I think.
The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy). But isn't it still rather unclear - he was or he wasn't? She tries to make him guilty about it, she depicts it as seduction, but again - he's indignant and points at her 'technique'. I'm wondering, what annoys him more - the question of 'first' or her accusations? ;D
He'd rather look like the huge cad for leaving her as opposed to the embarrassment of being the one left. Yes, they both seem to feel like this. Matter of pride, indeed.
"Her first" because he wasn't. I'm figuring there was another, possibly a part (along with a number of other misdeeds)of the reason she was put in the convent. A loss or deception she won't either admit or discuss, which goes to the larger issue of trust, as far as Jack is concerned. Her "spiritedness" would help explain how readily she fell into the pirate world (or so we're led to believe), more so than if she had been some innocent waiting to take her vows
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It could be a matter of "if I pray hard enough on Sunday, I can get away with anything the rest of the week," but she doesn't seem that self-conscious of her actions.
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Your idea on the impersonating is an intriguing one... except I think that was "impersonating a cleric of the Church of England." Impersonating a priest would have probably gotten Jack the Medal of Honor (or whatever the equivlent might have been) because there was no love lost between England and Spain. The Protestant vs. Catholic hatred was a cornerpiece of OST.
But what I think the spirit of your point is a good one: Jack wouldn't have hesitated to don a cassock and push his way in.
As for Angelica, I'd like to think of her as a little more complicated character than one with no family, drumming her fingers in a convent, the religious or the joy house kind.
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Angelica might well be a little more complicated character. Certainly Cruz plays her as well as she can, but she was poorly written. I loved the movie, but found the dialogue in places and the overall new character development quite skimpy.
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My point exactly!!! Isn't that where the fandom kicks in? We've just been given a blank canvas. We need to start painting. The decision is where to start.
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First, when I learned that she was in a convent, I interpreted it as "oh, so probably she was educated/raised there, a school for girls or maybe an orphanage". Then I heard about the vows and I was "WTF? She planned to stay there? She...?!". Nope, I don't buy this. She could think so, but I don't buy anyway.
Was she trying to convince Jack or herself?Probably herself, more than Jack. I think it can be the key issue for her character. For now, I see her like this: even if she wasn't a ward of the convent in her childhood, it impressed her very much. She became a real believer but it didn't turn out beneficial for her, in long term. I suppose she was teached to see life in black and white and she thinks that any departure from pious life is moral decline, no matter that pious life doesn't fit her nature. So, when she fell in love with Jack, she thought it was her fail, not to mention ( ... )
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The clue comes in her elusiveness about Jack being "her first"... because he wasn't (a point which is driving him crazy).
But isn't it still rather unclear - he was or he wasn't? She tries to make him guilty about it, she depicts it as seduction, but again - he's indignant and points at her 'technique'. I'm wondering, what annoys him more - the question of 'first' or her accusations? ;D
He'd rather look like the huge cad for leaving her as opposed to the embarrassment of being the one left.
Yes, they both seem to feel like this. Matter of pride, indeed.
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