JDM is so many shades of awesome, he has become a rainbow!

[purple_carpets]

"Yes, I would go back if they asked me. My stance always is I would love to come back. In fact, they have trashed John so fucking much on that show that I would like to come back just to set the record straight the real way, I’m not that bad of a dad. I saved my kids. I went to hell to save my kids. How bad can I be, people? But there are a couple

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[purple_carpets]

Thanks so much, bb *tacklehugs*
I'm never quite sure about my John. That is...I know I like my characterization and it's all fine and dandy in my head, but I'm never quite sure if I'm doing a good job actually putting it down in writing. It's like my frame of reference for fifty-something ex-Marine alcoholics is rather limited or something :P

[saltandburnboys]

OMG!! Really, that is so awesome, I too will choose to ignore the rest of his comment about it probably not happening - lies!! Lol

[purple_carpets]

Uh-huh. He's lying! It's the only possible explanation! :P

God, I know! I like Mary, but having John be there would be a different kind of torture entirely. And it's all about torturing them as much as possible.

Yay, I'm not alone in the Loved his kids and still sucks at the whole dad gig camp. I love it when that happens

[saltandburnboys]

THAT is a very good point and one I'd never thought of before - Adam pretty much got the normal life that Sam wanted and look what happened it him. And, of course, Dean and Sam totally kick ass so they can thank John for that, even if he never freaking told that they were any good, lol.

I also think you're right about it just being a crutch because really how do you go back to your normal life knowing that there is evil out there that 1 - your kids need to know how to protect themselves against and 2 - could you just ignore it and let loads of innocent people die when you could have stood up and made a difference? Neither Dean nor John could do that, I don't think, they're heroes to the core.

Count me in for those brain storming sessions and if the writers would like to have Jensen Ackles sitting in the corner, I'm SURE that would help my brain storming abilities, lol.

xxxx

[purple_carpets]

lol. yeah. totally. That wouldn't be distracting AT ALL XD

[honeylocusttree]

Heh, I definitely fall in the camp of the former, I think. I don't know that I've really written a John who was a genuinely good guy. There's probably reasons for that which have nothing to do with the show...but my feelings about him are that I think he's a really good *character*, just not a good person. Mainly, I think of him as a means to an end--a way to accomplish the goals of a story, rather than someone whose journey is of interest to me. I genuinely don't enjoy reading fic with him as a main character, except very, very occasionally. That's just a personal preference, though. I can't really write a 'good dad' character because I have no frame of reference for it...

And YES to the whole father-of-the-year!John thing. Those are the worst. *shudders*

Someone should write crack!fic where he does both. Confuse the hell outta everyone.

[purple_carpets]

Yeah, the problem is that most of the people who write OMIGAWDHE'SEVOL!John take themselves incredibly seriously, so their fics tend to be painful and cringeworthy, rather than fun...*sighs*

[purple_carpets]

Hm...I see what you're saying. I care about Dean and caring about Dean and understanding Dean means I have to care about John. Not as a character with his own backstory, but as a starting point for all of his son's issues. But then of course my own issues kick in and I start writing from his POV and try to figure out why he's acting a particular way because calling my dad and talking about stuff would be what normal people do... I've pretty much settled on my characterization of abusive jerk who still loves his children more than anything in the world and I'm gonna stick with it :P

Heh, I can actually see a severely bipolar!John fic work out as a serious character study. But crack works too XD

[tcs1121]

That. Would. Be. So. Awesome. If. John. Came. Back. Because. Nobody. Has. To. Stay. Dead. On. SPN.

~~*~~*~~

Miracle Max: It just so happens that your friend here is only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

Inigo Montoya: What's that?

Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
- The Princess Bride

[purple_carpets]

He can stay dead if he needs to. I just want ghost!John spending a couple of hours with them and they don't even have to do anything, I just...I WANT HIM BACK!

And I've never actually seen The Princess Bride, but the quote amuses me :)

[briarwood]

I don't know. I'm not sure I'd want to see John back on the show because I don't trust what the writers would do with it. Samuel's arc in S6 would actually have made a lot more sense - and ended differently - if it had been John.

But I think the time has passed when John returning would make sense. Better leave it to fanfic - we seem to know the guy better than the show's writers do, anyway!

[purple_carpets]

Ugh...Samuel...that arc was terrible :/ Replacing him with John, now that actually makes a lot of sense. I think I would have enjoyed that.

I'm sure they won't bring him back for real, but they can always use him for flashbacks/dreams/hallucinations/freaky deals that will bring him back for a day or something. Then again, I have played throgh every one of those scenarios in my head and I'd be incredibly disappointed if show didn't live up to my expectations. As would be everybody else, so leaving it to fanfic is probably the most sensible solution still doesn't change the fact that I WANT HIM BACK