Things falling apart...

[reanimator]

After our double whammy of data loss catastrophy - first the laptop fusing 3 weeks ago and then an external harddrive fusing on another occasion 1 week ago (a loss of 160 gigabyte, so far nothing's recovered) maybe our doom with technical stuff is finally coming to an end. Since our gas boiler (heating and warm water) finally not only oozed

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[ltmurnau]

I agree with you completely on 1) and 2). This sort of thing divides the amateur/wannabe from the artist, absolutely (though an artist is not going to hit the target every time, and every pony has at least one trick in him).

[primroseport]

totally agree on 1,2, and possibly bass

[reanimator]

I was quite surprised about myself having come to the conclusion of misguided shock and phony psychedelia being the worst, because I would have initially responded "plagiarism". Maybe that just means that art/music/movies nowadays are necessarily so much about the grey zone between paying tribute to and idea recycling that one's pretty used to the phenomenon...

[ilna]

Oh and another thing I realized yesterday - there are more music tracks based/spun around significant bass lines (and not as much around significant guitar riffs) than one would think...

It isn't always the thing in the front that matters the most :)

Hmm.. Peter Hook's ghost body-snatching more people than they would themselves think, maybe ?

[reanimator]

Actually it was LSF/Kasabian and My Generation/Who that made me think about it....

[az_tashtego]

Yes on 1 and 2. 2. is often a case of insiders trying to make 'outsider' art because they lack either talent or something worth saying (or both)

On a more mundane level, I also try and stay away from anyone who describes themselves as 'crazy' or 'out there' as they are invariably dull.

Finally, it always irritated me that when studying German as a kid, they would translate toll as 'wild!' I always hated that and it made me never want to use the word. That is all.

[reanimator]

Isn't it funny how getting a label, such as "outsider art" is the definite proof that it's already engulfed into the (mainstream) market and the establishment ? People ( not even the ones producing the outsider art) are quite often not aware of this, weirdly..

And you're right about toll/wild..Mad is probably more adequate a translation..only context in which "toll" would be used in the 21st century (it's very old fashioned a word) would be as Tollkirschen, which is a muscarin containing berry...deadly nightshade is the english name, just checked..

[reanimator]

Actually it's atropine not muscarine...got confused for a moment :/