while i understand his point for the most part, i can not subscribe to a standard for meditation (or anything really)...so i would consider butoh a moving meditation, movement in the now on the edge of perception (though yes i suppose a basic thought process must be occurring). of course that is just an opinion so take it with a grain of salt and haha maybe i have forgotten what meditation is truly supposed to be....?
I don't know. I have trouble respecting an authority figure who uses the word 'can't'. Meditating in the car may not be ideal and may indeed require less sacrifice. But there's nothing inherently wrong with killing two birds with one stone. When it's necessary to do so - when sacrificing the second task is impossible - it seems better to do it without feeling guilty that you're meditating wrong. After all, two dead birds feed two people. And if you're hunting for two people, you can't always say, "Well, I'll just hunt for one person and the other can go hungry." You do what you can.
i believe that trungpa's meaning here is to get you to think about it as much as it is to be authority. just remember that the witness is the ultimate authority and you and trungpa at least share that, even if you don't share the same taste in women lol peace mike
I can agree with that. I generally don't emphasize the importance of the concept of 'authority'. I guess the fact that I stopped to comment at all is a sign of respect. It all depends on whether a person sees respect more in questioning or in unquestioning acceptance. It can go either way, depending on the outlook of the person.
I tend to lean toward a mutual discussion of ideas, or even a debate, as a more respectful approach. But I've encountered people who just don't see it that way.
So I guess the deciding factor here would be Trungpa's reaction when I said, "I disagree with the 'can't' part." If he reacts gracefully, I can accept him as an authority. If he finds my statement disrespectful, there might be a problem.
another thing to think about is the relation of the cognitive mind to meditation styles. whereas some meditative styles might retain some cognitive aspects, since trungpa comes from the vajrayana tradition, he might be trying to get you engaged in a dialouge of no words. in other words, its very hard to mentally talk about meditation, since the experience may not yeild any explanation. glad to have your comments, feel free to keep adding anything that comes to mind. peace mike
You friended me a while back, this is the first time I've replied to any of your posts.
Thai kickboxers start their matches with a kind of dance, the name of which escapes me, which acts as a kind of moving meditation for the fighters. It prepares them mentally for the task at hand.
The martial art of Bagua (Pakua) has its forms based on a meditative practice of certain monks from China who would walk in a circle while reciting mantras, a moving meditation.
Laslty, I'm aware that the esoteric Buddhist monks of Japan, perhaps inaccurately, referred to as yamabushi have a very arduous moving mediatation where they hike a trail around and up a mountain while fasting and chanting.
So, when this particular person states that moving meditation is bad for such and such reason, I simply chalk it up to diff'rent strokes.
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who meditates?
what is meditation?
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However, doing one thing at a time may be ideal.
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I tend to lean toward a mutual discussion of ideas, or even a debate, as a more respectful approach. But I've encountered people who just don't see it that way.
So I guess the deciding factor here would be Trungpa's reaction when I said, "I disagree with the 'can't' part." If he reacts gracefully, I can accept him as an authority. If he finds my statement disrespectful, there might be a problem.
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peace
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Thai kickboxers start their matches with a kind of dance, the name of which escapes me, which acts as a kind of moving meditation for the fighters. It prepares them mentally for the task at hand.
The martial art of Bagua (Pakua) has its forms based on a meditative practice of certain monks from China who would walk in a circle while reciting mantras, a moving meditation.
Laslty, I'm aware that the esoteric Buddhist monks of Japan, perhaps inaccurately, referred to as yamabushi have a very arduous moving mediatation where they hike a trail around and up a mountain while fasting and chanting.
So, when this particular person states that moving meditation is bad for such and such reason, I simply chalk it up to diff'rent strokes.
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