I'm still behind an ep so probably won't watch this one until the weekend. Only comment I've seen so far, prior to yours, was the equivalent of an eye-roll about 'father of the year' John. Sigh.
I'm looking forward to feeling like you are now... I get the feeling that it won't change the minds of any of those already made up as far as John is concerned though. Oh, well. To each their own, I guess.
I enjoyed that scene but now I'm confused. The boys' opinion on John keeps flip flopping though I'm guessing that's more due to the writers than actual characterization.
Nah, the show has always been about family. They've beat that into our heads - from day one. Even Bobby said something like that, family is here to drive you crazy. The boys' thoughts on their father is much like any child, especially boys with their dads. There are a few exceptions, but most boys have a bit of a love/hate relationship with their father. Their first (and in this case, only really) authority figure. They fear/respect him, hate/love him, blame him for everything/realize that he did what he did because he loved them so much. It is a roller coaster. I think too, that because of the life they lead, normal teenage rebellion was pretty much squashed early on. My thoughts are, they are stunted in a way. A lot of the opinions they have had through the years are very "teenage" like, something they may not have gone through (or not exactly the same way) as a "normal" teenager does. They had to assume adult responsibilities early on, especially Dean. They didn't lead a normal life and John was not a "normal" dad in that
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I guess I just don't have the life experience to grasp that simply from watching the show and not thinking about the meta behind it as we are now. My father was never like that. I can't say I felt fear of my dad growing up. Not that he's perfect by any means but I just don't have that common thread to share with the characters in order to understand that POV
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Well, as a woman and a mother and a person with TONS of life experience, I can say that I see it time and time again. Not all sons, and certainly not all children, have that kind of relationship with their fathers. Some dads are dead-beats, some are abusers, some love unconditionally, some are just as touchy/feely as women, some never have that "beat down" that I have seen between fathers and sons. It's control and obedience and disobedience and pushing limits and testosterone. There are pissing contests and challenges and mistakes. A lot of times, it's just a male thing. The young colt challenges the stallion, the adolescent male being "kicked" out of the pride by the adult male lion. The Alpha wolf that asserts his dominance over a younger wolf. I wouldn't be surprised if we see JDM at some point in the future. For the first time in 10 years,he is coming to a convention in Las Vegas this spring. I think we may be in for a resolution of a sort sometime down the line between John and the boys.
I don't dislike the angel arc. As far as I'm concerned, that is what this whole ep was about. Family. So some people might think that the other arcs, Cas and Claire, Rowena and Crowley were superficial. I think they were just another way to slam home the message that family is weird and strange and messed up. I'd like to see them expound on it. But I'm jealous of the times I see the boys, I want them all the time in every scene. Still, this is a story and the peripheral characters are important to the boys. I get it.
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I'm looking forward to feeling like you are now... I get the feeling that it won't change the minds of any of those already made up as far as John is concerned though. Oh, well. To each their own, I guess.
Glad it's fist bump worthy though :)
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