Comments | say_kiss: As Maddox would say: If you disagree with anything you find on this page, you are wrong.

say_kiss

As Maddox would say: If you disagree with anything you find on this page, you are wrong.

Feb 28, 2005 14:27

Girls are one big fucking contradiction. Hence the reggression of my attitude. Apparantly, i had it right before when i was in highschool ( Read more... )

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high school romances anonymous March 1 2005, 16:58:48 UTC

ok bud, first let me say that I am keeping this anonymous because you don't really know me anyways, so don't bitch. I think your description of relationships is what I would call 'high school romances.' So as to not bash high schoolers, let me clarify. These relationships are of the most immature nature. Usually this involves extreme insecurity on the part of the girl, and all the drama just makes her feel that someone who would go through all this must really care. The immaturity of the guy allows him to think that he is in a meaningful realtionship because of all the shit they go through (actually, that is way generalized, but for the sake of time I will not elaborate). IMPORTANT: 'high school romances' are not confined to high school, I just labeled them that because I thought that by college people would get over the emaotional immaturity, but I was wrong. However, people do mature and understand that a realtionship is not the male treating the female like she is gold (as in that girl's quote), or the girl dating the ass who makes ( ... )

Re: high school romances pags411 March 1 2005, 17:34:11 UTC

A well written response. You've reiterated a lot of things that most people seem to agree with so far. I believe the problem is that most relationships at our "maturity level" aren't sincere like the one your describing. From the nature of your post I would dare a guess that you're currently involved with someone, or have been involved with someone to that degree- in either case, you're very privelaged. The main point that Jake is trying to make is the relationships all around us, currently, are taking this path in some way, shape, or form. Since we can only see our immediate environment, it's fairly depressing. I'd rather people take this post, and it's responses, and try and learn from them. Even if you think we're all wrong (like the subheading says, if you think we're wrong...you're wrong) it would be wise to reevaluate your standing on these topics. I'm speaking for Jake when I say that none of this is meant to insult anyone, so please take the posts here as constructive criticism. This isn't going to turn into a bitch

Jake i agree completely anonymous March 1 2005, 17:41:51 UTC

I can remember when I used to call women all the time, take them out, and generally show them that I was VERY interested in them when I first met them. I was REALLY a "nice" guy. And you can guess what happened. Exactly...They would always be nice to me, say that they appreciated what I had done, and accept my calls... BUT I NEVER SENSED THAT THEY FELT ANY KIND OF ATTRACTION FOR ME. Something just never felt quite right. I always felt this little tension... as if the woman KNEW that I was interested, but for some reason THAT VERY FACT was the thing that kept her from feeling the same in return. It was as if the more I tried to get a woman to like me, the less she would. IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE! Why wouldn't a woman choose to like me when I was such a nice guy? Was it my looks? Or the fact that I didn't make a lot of money? Or that I didn't have a nice car? Well, I've since realized something... Women don't CHOOSE at all who they are attracted to. ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE. Attraction is something that happens virtually on its own ( ... )

Re: Jake i agree completely anonymous March 1 2005, 17:42:52 UTC

and yes i do know u.....it ll get better...remember...NERF

Re: Jake i agree completely say_kiss March 1 2005, 17:58:24 UTC

95% of ALL decisions aren't made consciously. In other words, less than 5% of all the "decisions" that people make were ALREADY MADE FOR THEM by their minds, and they're just trying to pretend that it was their idea!

This comment is great, there is no way i could have put it better myself

anonymous March 1 2005, 19:19:17 UTC

Well, wow.....everyone has a good point and i can see all of them. But i guess i've kind of been there. I have had a few guy best friends and u cant totally say it's all the girls fault. Once i find out the person i am friends with likes me i tell them that i am not attracted to him in that way right away. Usually though they don't listen and think that they can changed my mind. I did date one and after awhile he just wasn't the person for me and he said all the things u just did. But if i don't have feelings for him y keep saying so? Also i've been in a few really horrible relationships.....most i get out of quickly but one....that one i was afraid to leave, the guy had an awful temper and was very manipulative, i was scared to find the outcome if i left the relationship. Now after a few years of being used and abused, i'm not just saying that the guys who have used me have told me to my face, i have found that person that was described. He tells me i'm beautiful, he always makes me laugh, he's right by my side when i'm down ( ... )

pags411 March 1 2005, 21:06:46 UTC

As grammatically ambiguous this post was, I think I understand what's trying to be said. The poster adds a good contrast to most of the one sided discussion up until now. Guys and girls are interchangeable in the game that has been highlighted by Jake's original post. No one can overlook the fact that guys being "dicks" seems to have a much more dominating presence in these scenarios. Regardless you make a good point.

say_kiss March 1 2005, 22:13:21 UTC

Ok, Matt and I have been analyzing this post for the past 10 minutes, all flames aside, what the fuck? Do you think you could maybe restate your points more clearly? I cant tell if the manipultive angry guy you were talking about turned into "the one" or if you even bothered to put periods in any of the right places ( ... )

anonymous March 1 2005, 20:03:42 UTC

I definitely agree with you on the most part. I also think that at first the guy tries being the "perfect guy" and then as the relationship goes on he changes.He changes because he has got what he wanted. Then the girl tends to not like/love him as much because of this. He is now not the guy she thought he was. The girl now becomes bored and not happy.

anonymous March 1 2005, 21:46:32 UTC

Nice Guys Definetly Finish Last

pags411 March 1 2005, 22:23:08 UTC

That's entirely dependent upon your definition of finishing last. For example: gay people tend to be fairly gentle creatures. They hold girls' hands, and tell them they love them, or even think they look beautiful in that cute skirt from express which he bought for them with his extra store credit from these pants he returned last week that just weren't him...The point is, the gay dude's finish is independent of the girls outlook of him. Now what I think you meant to say is that sincere guys are commonly left in the dust when the girl runs off with the mysterious guy that beats her. But even a sincere guy can believe in his feelings for someone, but that doesn't make them permanent. When a guy changes his opinions or outlook, he has two options: respect the girl's feeligs and end it, or stick it out for his own sake. If he sticks with it, the girl is happy because that's usually when guys treat girls shitty. The girl will always be there, so the guy just abuses that fact. If the guy chooses to end it, more often than not, the ( ... )

Yep... anonymous March 1 2005, 22:25:52 UTC

A majority of highschoolers are very shallow. A majority of these shallow highschoolers will not admit that they are shallow--atleast to many others, yet they know they are. People jump into relationships based on looks and initial impressions on any such person. Highschool isn't anywhere near an ideal place for relationships. I only know about 10 people (couples) that have a GOOD relationship.

Basically, people are too immature and inexperienced to really know what they want from a relationship that will benefit them in the long run or to really know how they can deal with a relationship.

Re: Yep... pags411 March 1 2005, 22:39:01 UTC

You're right...but the point of the original post is that this is going on AFTER highschool. Secondly, shallowness is what people show to others, every person is capable of having deep thoughts/emotions. As far as long term goals/desires are concerned, I agree with you; however, I strongly believe that people tend to be short-term oriented because of the world we live in. This country is not very aware of long-term anything. I would guess that most people don't even know what they are doing in two weeks. Those who do may only have an event planned or something to that extent. Overall, most people don't even know what they're doing tomorrow, let alone after college. People may not understand the impermenance of short term pleasure versus long term happiness, but that also may not entirely be their fault.

Anyways, keep shit on topic as much as you can. This is an awesome conversation, and I think everyone's inputs are great. Keep them anonymous so you can really speak your mind.

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