Sex, Love, and Marriage

[songbird27]

So this is just some stuff that has kind of been bothering me.  The way that those three things- sex, love, and marriage- have been completely stripped of their sanctity and have, instead, been tossed around as though they mean nothing.

The first one:  Sex- I recently read in a magazine that the average American will have 11 sexual partners

Comments

[kiltboiisme]

Well, obviously I'm against homosexuality. It's right there in black and white, so yeah

[fromredtowhite]

yeah the only thing i have to comment on is the same topic matt commented on

[jesusdigsyou]

this has always been a feisty debate amongst people of all sides of the equation. to redefine marriage, we begin with civil unions. what's the likely hood that it will end there? what's the likely hood those within civil unions will consider that "good enough"? As we struggle with this issue, one can't help but wonder if we redefine what marriage is by using terms like "civil unions" what basis would our government have for telling a man he can't marry 2 women, or a woman marry 2 women? what basis do we have to stand on if our central theme is that we shouldn't deny anyone anything if that is what they want, even if we disagree with them? chew on it and see what comes to mind... i'll be looking for some more replies!

[fromredtowhite]

well I posted a comment but it was annonymous by accident so I am reposting it while I'm signed in just so I don't have to wait for it to be approved by renee

[jesusdigsyou]

i actually fully believe that the day will come where if a pastor does not perform a same sex marriage, they can be fined or arrested because it could be considered part of a hate crime

[kiltboiisme]

I think polygamy is a bit trickier than homosexual marriage, to be honest. Gay marriage, from a legislative standpoint, is more or less the same as a regular marriage - two people sharing their lives.

With polygamy, things can easily get out of hand very quickly - early Mormons are a perfect example of that. Mormons married well beyond their means, married women who were already married, and often married within their family or the families of their wives.

I remember reading a story about an early Mormon leader who married the two-year old niece of one of his wives with the understanding that she would be given to him upon her coming of age.

That's pretty difficult to legislate, you ask me.

I'm definitely NOT saying that gay marriage is okay. It's not - but my opinion is that there are SO many other things we as Christians could be focusing our energy on. Hunger? Homelessness? Global warming? Those are a couple...

-M

[fromredtowhite]

one, i agree
two right buuuuut we also have to focus on our neck of the woods. and in our neck of the woods people are using the word of God and current legislation as a justification for hate, i have tithe prayer and love all for the homeless the hungry (don't really know what to give to global warming...screw him he has enough attention)

but I also have to take into account that yeah on OUR side gay marriage no big deal. But on the side of two individuals whos government is telling them they are second class citizens its not such a "small issue" all men created equal...unless you be one of those GAYS....that doesn't sit right with me.

[songbird27]

This is a lot of good insight. A lot of stuff I didn't even think about. I understand about denying a person something, especially in this country. Yet at the same time, my conscience cannot justify same sex marriage for the single fact that it is not right in God's eyes. I do not at all think that it is justification for hate (those who use God's word for that are hippocrites). I believe that the practice of homosexuality is a sin and I hate the sin, but love the sinner. That is what Jesus constantly preached- love. Although I am not 100% up to speed on that, I do try whole heartedly.
Anyways, I have another question for y'all: What is marriage? How do you define it? Dustin and I had a convo about this and came up with some interesting insight...

[fromredtowhite]

Right I get the conscience thing i really do, and in the church thats fantastic if your in a church that is doing something that is doctrinally blatantly wrong than by all means find a church that is serving God. But my constitution does not promise me the right to be "comfertable" The rights for gays to have civil union does not impead on my rights therefore (in my uneducated estimation) it is unconstitutional to keep that right from them.

Marriage (according to Hoskins): A day to day choice/commitment betwean a man and a woman. the binding of two individuals under God. (if your conversation was anything like the convo i had with him i imagine there was some interesting insight, and if it WAS like that convo than you can consider me pretty much in agreeance with printz).

much love :)

[kiltboiisme]

"I understand about denying a person something, especially in this country. Yet at the same time, my conscience cannot justify same sex marriage for the single fact that it is not right in God's eyes."

This pretty much sums up why I choose to avoid any sort of decision making on the matter. I'm at odds with myself.

-M

[fromredtowhite]

i would just like to point out that the government isn't passing legislation for you to get married to someone of the same sex. be opposed to it all you please but this country allows the death penalty yet many are morally opposed....it also permits abortion which many oppose morally....there conscience is bothered by it and yet our government decides that matters of life and death are ALLOWED to be morally repugnant....but matters of tax cuts, life insurance and next of kin rights we draw the line in the sand....what?....i don't see once again...as a matter of government and in holding our constitution true how we have the constitutional right to stop two people from legally binding themselves to eachother.