Comments | starstealingirl: Once more, with feeling.

starstealingirl

Once more, with feeling.

May 22, 2008 15:43

Okay, folks. It's been a long damn time since I've written any kind of rant/polemic on this here LJ-- particularly in response to an online conflict-- but at this point, I feel compelled to speak up. "I won't be silent anymore" is a bit of a cliché, but in this case, it's kinda true ( Read more... )

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*claps* morrigirl May 22 2008, 20:23:04 UTC

Well said Adrienne. Well said.

starstealingirl May 23 2008, 03:09:32 UTC

CARLAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

I've been meaning to call you for a while now. I just randomly reread that card you sent me a couple months ago with the parcel o' books, and it immediately put a smile on my face. I miss you lots, and I need my Carla fix! Any particular day good for you?

morrigirl May 27 2008, 04:43:11 UTC

And I need my Adrienne fix! How does this coming Thursday work for you? It's just one of my many launsry nights, but I should be done with my laundry by 8:00 or 9:00 PM.

starstealingirl May 27 2008, 07:36:02 UTC

Thursday sounds most fantastic. How's about you call me when your laundry's done?

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fierceawakening May 22 2008, 20:23:51 UTC

Great post (I'm about to link it on sm-f actually), but my one niggle is I'm leery, at this stage, of feminist critique in the first place ( ... )

starstealingirl May 23 2008, 03:01:22 UTC

*nods ( ... )

fierceawakening May 23 2008, 03:43:02 UTC

The thing is, for me, I've become really suspicious of the suspicion of "but I chose it." I've been around feminism long enough that I feel I get what it means: that we don't always make wise choices, and furthermore that part of why we don't is being raised in a patriarchy ( ... )

starstealingirl May 23 2008, 06:49:28 UTC

See, I don't necessarily interpret "but I chose it" that way. I tend to interpret it one of two ways.

First, that we don't live in a cultural vacuum, so what we "choose" is very much informed, even curtailed by our social positioning. This has nothing, or nothing much, to do with "wisdom", in my opinion; it is simply an acknowledgment that some people are more privileged in their "choice"-making than others.

For example, when I protested the "Anti-Feminist Bake Sale" on my school campus, the "anti-feminists" proclaimed that they were protesting feminism because feminists didn't want women to choose to opt out of the public workplace and stay at home. Certain of the "feminists" responded that, no, feminism is about choices, and women should be able to choose to stay at home if they wanted to.

Of course, the problem with framing the debate in these terms is that making domestic work vs. paid work (a problematic binary in and of itself) a matter of choice, ignores the fact that many women do not have the option of choosing in the ( ... )

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ghosttoboggan May 22 2008, 20:44:09 UTC

I really enjoyed reading this, Adrienne. You succinctly problematized the notion of "inherently feminist" actions, and - among other things - made a solid case for BDSM's potential as a means to better understand and critique hierarchical relationships (rather than being an "automatic assent" to inequitable power structures).

I was also reminded of this entry I wrote (seemingly forever ago) about some of the very same ideas in your entry today. You'll notice you left a comment, but no surprise there, right?

Anyway, kudos, and keep on problematizin' !

americangod May 22 2008, 21:08:00 UTC

i really want to meet you in person.

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greenblackevil June 4 2008, 01:53:21 UTC

Wait a minute, you're NOT Adrienne? I thought (for some damn fool reason, now that I think about it) that you were a different LJ account that Adrienne had. Ummm... Don't want to be rude but... who are you? We seem to live in the same town, and I don't know if we've met, and I'm really sorry for screwing up your identity if we have! - Matt