"YOU THINK THE FEELING OF LOVE YOU HAVE IS DIVINE."
No, you think that I think this. You are always accusing me of thinking I know everything about you, but look at what you're doing here. Besides the fact that this no longer holds water because it's a hypocritical statement (you can not tell people what they think, it's an argumentative fallacy), it makes little sense. The feeling of love I have in regards to what? Music? Books? Life? Divine as in from God? Divine as in pure and holy? I do think that the way I feel about some things transcends what the MTV and KROQ kids feel about the same things. But you think this too, don't you? (Eminem hand-bobs to Taking Back Sunday. Don't act like you're above elitism.) Everyone thinks that about themselves to an extent, that they love something in a way unique to themselves. That is in no way calling it a "divine" love, but only a special and individualized love. And who are you to break me down for something like that? Yes, I realize that I tore you down
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Re: Part one.such_a_suckerDecember 1 2004, 22:26:54 UTC
The first part was meant to be directed at what you said in your last post. "You should stop listening to those bands and stop reading those books because you give people who do it for the right reasons a bad name." For the right reasons? In a "B" essay, I would say the speaker believe she does it for the "right" or "divine" way. I should have been more clearer.
I tried explaining on Thanksgiving. I tried explaining what I meant, and you shot it down. Even when I told you what I meant, when I made myself clearer, you still rejected the reason. I guess I should have been more clearer last night. You were so set on rejecting it.
Thinking that you're entitled to being always right is prideful. I should have been more clearer.
Re: Part one.q_de_coeursDecember 2 2004, 13:06:57 UTC
"For the right reasons? In a "B" essay, I would say the speaker believe she does it for the "right" or "divine" way."
What I mean by "right reasons" are the sort that aren't contrary or contradictory to whatever the subject is or was intended to mean. You are not using the same mentality as I am. I see wrong reasons as hip-hop dancing to a punk band. I see wrong reasons as conforming to every single degree and standard of society's mold when one's favorite film is "Dead Poets Society."
You still seem to have overlooked the entire point regarding this matter.
"Even when I told you what I meant, when I made myself clearer, you still rejected the reason."No, I didn't. I was telling you (or acting in such ways that represent) that it still hurt me. If you fuck up, even if you apologize, it doesn't change the fact that you still fucked up, n'est-ce pas? I wasn't set on rejecting anything, I was hurt that there was the possibility that you thought I couldn't learn a worship song just because I haven't been on the team for a year. THE
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"AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY TO DENY IT WITH YOUR DEPRESSION, THE FACT IS THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SOMETHING. SOMETHING SPECIAL. WHEN REALLY ALL ANYONE IS EVER ENTITLED TO IS SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST AND DEATH."
I don't see how my depression would stop me from thinking I'm entitled to something, but you're still wrong. You're trying to tell me what I think, again. However, I would like to know what it is you think I think I'm entitled to. Love? Support? Care? I know better than to expect things like this from people like you and mommy. I know better than to expect things like that from people at all: compassion is murdered, and the people who are at the forefront of it are people like you, CHRISTIANS. Condemning is quite fun, isn't it? Salvation and/or death? Well, I know those two. "Death" is actually where I was going with the whole suicide thing, but in this case you think I'm entitled to it, so I thank you for your vote of complete lack of confidence.
"And all you're going to do is say that all I do is look
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Re: Part two.such_a_suckerDecember 1 2004, 22:36:27 UTC
A while back, you said something along the lines of "how can I be prideful when I'm so depressed." Something like that. I should have been more clearer. You still expect. You expect so much. Maybe you don't even know it. And I'm sorry about the compassion thing. My past attempts a few years ago have been fruitless, so I have given up and will no longer try. Learned helplessness. 10 out of 10 people will die. So yes Candice, you are entitled to death. I should have been more clearer.
You've said something like that to me before. I should have been more clearer.
I was just trying to make a prediction. Next time I won't say anything.
You don't think any of those things. Sorry, a few months ago we were fighting, and I thought you said you did. My fault.
We are no longer in the same living situation so I will no longer expect you to understand the things I do and the reasons I do them. You are right about what you said a while back, we are strangers.
Re: Part two.q_de_coeursDecember 2 2004, 15:08:56 UTC
"You still expect. You expect so much. Maybe you don't even know it."
What exactly do you think I am I expecting? I don't think I'm expecting anything. If you're talking about yourself, then yes, I would expect different actions from someone I used to know.
"My past attempts a few years ago have been fruitless, so I have given up and will no longer try. Learned helplessness."
Attempts at compassion are never fruitless. For you to "give up" on showing compassion says volumes about your nature and how you deal with relationships. Learned helplessness, however, does not extend to this.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism. Perhaps it was not wise to take a high school psychology class if all you're going to do is analyze people inappropriately. What with your "messiah complex" accusations that hold no water and you trying to ascribe "learned helplessness" to giving up on caring about me is hardly what the actual diagnoses of these terms/criteria are. If you want to stop having compassion
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Part three.q_de_coeursDecember 1 2004, 21:20:08 UTC
"I don't think you can understand the frustration I have."
Nor do you mine. Impasse.
"But you must, even for a moment, stop being an F, and try to be a T.
I don't understand what this means at all. Stop being a Friend and be a Teacher? Stop being a Fiend and be a Tammy? Stop being a Fatass and be a Televangelist? False and True? Fag and Trisexual? This is what I mean about taking things the wrong way. Who's fault is it?
"I really tried last night and you shot me down."
Tried to do what? Tell me that you weren't on my side? I've understood that part for a long time. The only thing you had to say was that it wasn't wrong for a person to want that for their child. Then I told you that you missed the entire picture -- apparently you still have.
"You're conditioning me to stop trying."
I'm conditioning you to try harder.
"But you attacking things like that really hurts my heart."
Good, they were meant to. They were meant to hurt so that you can realize that something is wrong.
"Yes, contrary to your belief, I have a heart and a
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Re: Part three.such_a_suckerDecember 1 2004, 22:43:45 UTC
I don't know what impasse means.
INTP. INFP. Should have been more clearer.
I tried to think of alternatives to what you were presenting to me. Your problem. Your career problem. How did it go? "Maybe you should do something that you're able to do, not just what you like." "That's like saying to go kill myself." Is that not a shot down? I should have been more clearer.
Wrong choice of words on my part. Learned helplessness and conditioning are in two different section in my Psychology book. Like before, I've tried and it's fruitless. I expect that soon I will stop attempting.
And you're right. You're right. You're right. I understand. I'm throwing in the towel.
...Maybe just delete this. Or give it back to it's rightful owner.
Re: Part three.q_de_coeursDecember 2 2004, 15:17:10 UTC
"Maybe you should do something that you're able to do, not just what you like." "That's like saying to go kill myself."
I am able to do English. I'm very good at it. For you to tell me that I should do something else, for me, is a death wish. I'm honest enough with myself to understand that any other profession would be signing a death certificate, even if I'll be underpaid or in debt forever. I need to be happy in life, and English is the only thing that works for me right now. Everything else is slowly giving way to nothing: friends, family. This is where I experience learned helplessness.
"And you're right. You're right. You're right. I understand. I'm throwing in the towel."
All these lines fall short of what I had in mind A failed attempt to capsulize a feeling So I just try, fail and try and try again Someday I swear I'm gunna to get it Because I'm convinced that giving in is the worst thing there is
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"YOU THINK THE FEELING OF LOVE YOU HAVE IS DIVINE."
No, you think that I think this. You are always accusing me of thinking I know everything about you, but look at what you're doing here. Besides the fact that this no longer holds water because it's a hypocritical statement (you can not tell people what they think, it's an argumentative fallacy), it makes little sense. The feeling of love I have in regards to what? Music? Books? Life? Divine as in from God? Divine as in pure and holy? I do think that the way I feel about some things transcends what the MTV and KROQ kids feel about the same things. But you think this too, don't you? (Eminem hand-bobs to Taking Back Sunday. Don't act like you're above elitism.) Everyone thinks that about themselves to an extent, that they love something in a way unique to themselves. That is in no way calling it a "divine" love, but only a special and individualized love. And who are you to break me down for something like that? Yes, I realize that I tore you down ( ... )
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I tried explaining on Thanksgiving. I tried explaining what I meant, and you shot it down. Even when I told you what I meant, when I made myself clearer, you still rejected the reason.
I guess I should have been more clearer last night. You were so set on rejecting it.
Thinking that you're entitled to being always right is prideful. I should have been more clearer.
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What I mean by "right reasons" are the sort that aren't contrary or contradictory to whatever the subject is or was intended to mean. You are not using the same mentality as I am. I see wrong reasons as hip-hop dancing to a punk band. I see wrong reasons as conforming to every single degree and standard of society's mold when one's favorite film is "Dead Poets Society."
You still seem to have overlooked the entire point regarding this matter.
"Even when I told you what I meant, when I made myself clearer, you still rejected the reason."No, I didn't. I was telling you (or acting in such ways that represent) that it still hurt me. If you fuck up, even if you apologize, it doesn't change the fact that you still fucked up, n'est-ce pas? I wasn't set on rejecting anything, I was hurt that there was the possibility that you thought I couldn't learn a worship song just because I haven't been on the team for a year. THE ( ... )
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I don't see how my depression would stop me from thinking I'm entitled to something, but you're still wrong. You're trying to tell me what I think, again. However, I would like to know what it is you think I think I'm entitled to. Love? Support? Care? I know better than to expect things like this from people like you and mommy. I know better than to expect things like that from people at all: compassion is murdered, and the people who are at the forefront of it are people like you, CHRISTIANS. Condemning is quite fun, isn't it? Salvation and/or death? Well, I know those two. "Death" is actually where I was going with the whole suicide thing, but in this case you think I'm entitled to it, so I thank you for your vote of complete lack of confidence.
"And all you're going to do is say that all I do is look ( ... )
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You've said something like that to me before. I should have been more clearer.
I was just trying to make a prediction. Next time I won't say anything.
You don't think any of those things. Sorry, a few months ago we were fighting, and I thought you said you did. My fault.
We are no longer in the same living situation so I will no longer expect you to understand the things I do and the reasons I do them. You are right about what you said a while back, we are strangers.
It's sort of sad.
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What exactly do you think I am I expecting? I don't think I'm expecting anything. If you're talking about yourself, then yes, I would expect different actions from someone I used to know.
"My past attempts a few years ago have been fruitless, so I have given up and will no longer try. Learned helplessness."
Attempts at compassion are never fruitless. For you to "give up" on showing compassion says volumes about your nature and how you deal with relationships. Learned helplessness, however, does not extend to this.
"A little learning is a dangerous thing" -- Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism. Perhaps it was not wise to take a high school psychology class if all you're going to do is analyze people inappropriately. What with your "messiah complex" accusations that hold no water and you trying to ascribe "learned helplessness" to giving up on caring about me is hardly what the actual diagnoses of these terms/criteria are. If you want to stop having compassion ( ... )
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Nor do you mine. Impasse.
"But you must, even for a moment, stop being an F, and try to be a T.
I don't understand what this means at all. Stop being a Friend and be a Teacher? Stop being a Fiend and be a Tammy? Stop being a Fatass and be a Televangelist? False and True? Fag and Trisexual? This is what I mean about taking things the wrong way. Who's fault is it?
"I really tried last night and you shot me down."
Tried to do what? Tell me that you weren't on my side? I've understood that part for a long time. The only thing you had to say was that it wasn't wrong for a person to want that for their child. Then I told you that you missed the entire picture -- apparently you still have.
"You're conditioning me to stop trying."
I'm conditioning you to try harder.
"But you attacking things like that really hurts my heart."
Good, they were meant to. They were meant to hurt so that you can realize that something is wrong.
"Yes, contrary to your belief, I have a heart and a ( ... )
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INTP. INFP. Should have been more clearer.
I tried to think of alternatives to what you were presenting to me. Your problem. Your career problem. How did it go?
"Maybe you should do something that you're able to do, not just what you like."
"That's like saying to go kill myself."
Is that not a shot down? I should have been more clearer.
Wrong choice of words on my part. Learned helplessness and conditioning are in two different section in my Psychology book. Like before, I've tried and it's fruitless. I expect that soon I will stop attempting.
And you're right. You're right. You're right. I understand. I'm throwing in the towel.
...Maybe just delete this. Or give it back to it's rightful owner.
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"That's like saying to go kill myself."
I am able to do English. I'm very good at it. For you to tell me that I should do something else, for me, is a death wish. I'm honest enough with myself to understand that any other profession would be signing a death certificate, even if I'll be underpaid or in debt forever. I need to be happy in life, and English is the only thing that works for me right now. Everything else is slowly giving way to nothing: friends, family. This is where I experience learned helplessness.
"And you're right. You're right. You're right. I understand. I'm throwing in the towel."
All these lines fall short of what I had in mind
A failed attempt to capsulize a feeling
So I just try, fail and try and try again
Someday I swear I'm gunna to get it
Because I'm convinced that giving in is the worst thing there is
What you love, how you act. Think about it.
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