In This World and the Next Chapter 14

[szaleniec1000]

ITWATN has no surprises left, or so I thought. We've had Percy being fed to Fluffy for nothing at all. We've had Ron (but not Ginny, Neville or Luna) being inherently prone to blood supremacy, which justifies a group of nominal adults victimising an eleven-year-old. We've had, of course, a "shit wizard" being somehow able to overpower Hermione

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[greener221]

"the map and cloak"

Was it even established that they even had these? The cloak is supposed to be with Dumbledore, and the map with Fred and George.

Oh wait, I forgot that the author hates them for no reason, so he probably had Lord Bellend and his Hired Goon Squad beat them almost to death and then steal them.

[szaleniec1000]

Fred and George have actually got off quite lightly, which is strange: they usually get the worst of it when Weasley-bashing is in play. Lord Potter persuaded them to hand over the map by pointing out that Remus and Sirius are Moony and Padfoot. This would probably have been enough if everyone had been IC - consider how ready they were to give the map to Harry when they realised his need was greater than theirs, before they even knew that Prongs was James - but Lord Potter saw fit to implicitly threaten them anyway because Robst.

[greener221]

"the whole point of Dumbledore's posthumous character arc in that book was that he wasn't all-knowing and all-powerful, and his experiences had left him under no illusions that he was."

At the same time, Rowling constantly has Dumbledore be [strike]Jesus[/strike] Harry's protector through proxy, with the Deluminator's (Why isn't it called the Put-Outer anymore?) out-of-nowhere ability to.......something, Snape giving Harry the Gryffindor Sword, and for some reason a portrait of him having his brain fully intact yet somehow not the same as being dead like ghosts. And if Dumbledore wasn't supposed to be God, then King's Cross wouldn't have happened.

[sickbritkid2]

That's less a Jesus analogue and more us being shown things about the Harry Potter world that still haven't been explained and probably never will be(the greatest settings are the ones where only the creator truly knows everything about it. See also: the settings of Dark Souls and Demons Souls, both created by Hideki Miyazaki).

The portraits in the Headmaster's Office were established as early as Chamber of Secrets. Dumbledore's portrait isn't him, per se, it's merely a magical painting with his personality.

King's Cross is a deliberate allusion to Limbo and at least partially contains a reference to Dante's Inferno, so Dumbledore's more Vergil in that scene than Jesus.

The Deluminator...well, as I said, Rowling knows more about the Harry Potter setting than we do.

[greener221]

Miyazaki and Rowling are nothing alike. Miyazaki set out to create an expansive lore around a Euro-Japanese hybrid setting, with a completely minimalistic plot that decided to dwell on implied storytelling through item locations and the descriptions they give

[sickbritkid2]

He's called the "Chosen One", everyone worships him for what his very existence has done, he gave his life for the sake of killing his foe, somehow survived, and his influence apparantly managed to shield all the good guys in the final chapter and free Neville of a Body-Bind Curse. And the entire point of people nigh-worshiping Harry was to show exactly WHY him being raised by the Dursleys was a good thing, as explained by Dumbledore in Order

[greener221]

"In canon, of course, the reason it's not used in trials is because it's anything but."

*citation needed*

[szaleniec1000]

https://web.archive.org/web/20060316221637/http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/faq_view.cfm?id=105

Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled (in one way or another) to protect themselves against it. Barty Crouch had been attacked before the potion was given to him and was still very groggy, otherwise he could have employed a range of measures against the Potion - he might have sealed his own throat and faked a declaration of innocence, transformed the Potion into something else before it touched his lips, or employed Occlumency against its effects. In other words, just like every other kind of magic within the books, Veritaserum is not infallible. As some wizards can prevent themselves being affected, and others cannot, it is an unfair and unreliable tool to use at a trial.

"Sirius might have volunteered to take the potion had he been given the chance

[greener221]

Most of those means involve wands, though.

Additionally, Rowling has no right to be listened to after her books are already published.

[szaleniec1000]

Fair enough. It's my opinion, however, that it makes sense and is consistent with what we see in the books.

[greener221]

"Oh, great, the consequences of the troll attack were by popular demand."

WHAT?!?!?!

[szaleniec1000]

I didn't think anything could have made that ending worse. I was wrong.

[sickbritkid2]

I'd love to see the results of this so-called "poll."

[greener221]

I was thinking: Remember your retrospective of Chapters 1 to 39 of Deserving? You think you'd be able to do the same thing for Hogwarts Exposed?

[szaleniec1000]

That might be a good idea. It's been quite a while since I started on HE, after all.