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tangerinealtoid

rollin down the street, smokin indo, sippin on gin and juice...

May 25, 2003 21:28

today i went into prescott to see a movie with Fletcher, and on the way there i watched as a car deliberatly tried to run another off the road. once he succeeded, he sped off as fast as he could, while the car that got run off tried to get out of the ditch he was stuck in. scary business. then i saw Bruce Almighty, with Fletch and i really ( Read more... )

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confused billybro May 25 2003, 22:07:33 UTC

I'm out of the loop, what happened to Hart and Brown!

Re: confused tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 08:12:01 UTC

Mr. Hart and Mr. Brown were caught giving alcohol to their caravan. i don't really know what's happening to them, but i think that Mr. Brown was fired (i know he was fired from his next job) and Mr. Hart was asked to resign. it's all a big mess.

it's really great to hear from you again. i've missed you. see you at graduation! woot woot!

you are confused clemenceau May 26 2003, 10:03:37 UTC

Actually, the way I understand it, it was Mr. Brown attempting to teach the caravan group to drink responsibly, and that Mr. Hart had no knowledge of it. Sounds to me like a bold move, foolish concerning the corruption of the administration, but definitely not "wrong." What may be wrong, perhaps, is that every single kid (except Rae Ana) accepted the (one) beer. Not every kid can drink responsibly, period. It's something that can be taught, but not necessarily learned. What IS wrong is the lack of forgiveness for a single mistake, from which NOBODY WAS HURT. Why is Chip Wolcott ruining Mr. Brown's career, and in effect his life? IS THAT NOT WRONG TO YOU?

Re: you are confused tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 10:14:26 UTC

according to what Cy just told our entire humanities class, Mr. Brown "just bought them a beer to go with dinner". not for the purpose of a lesson on drinking responsibily. i'm afraid that that might be shading the incident in a different light. for the record it is not Mr. Wolcott who is directly behind this whole ordeal. so i can assure you he is not "out to ruin Mr. Brown's career and life". even if it were him though, i ask you the same question i asked Austin this morning, what would you do if you were in the place of the Administration?

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'headmonster' for a reason clemenceau May 25 2003, 22:08:09 UTC

How much do you care about Cy?
Might I suggest that you support Alison and Sine either way?

Re: 'headmonster' for a reason tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 08:15:30 UTC

i feel for Cy immensly. when i heard that his own father might not be allowed to attend his high school graduation, i was shocked and angered. and i feel for Sine and Alison as well. they have lost a dear teacher, coach and friend. however, i feel that it is silly to think that they can be saved. what they did was wrong. period.

'headmonster' for a reason clemenceau May 26 2003, 09:58:22 UTC

Wrong only in the Puritanical sense of the word--and they're not Puritans, nor is it morally required for them to be. What is wrong is ruining a man's career out of spite and a whole administration being unable to forgive ONE MISTAKE. Yeah, that's what's so evil (at least most major religions say so). This could happen at other schools, but not many--only schools with the same unethical administration. And it's unacceptable.

Re: 'headmonster' for a reason tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 10:03:56 UTC

out of spite? why would the administration spite Mr. Hart and/or Mr. Brown? the only wrong i see, is that the faculty did not appear to want us to speak alone this morning at announcements.

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tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 08:17:52 UTC

and i feel that is so wrong. they were pretty dumb to get all knotted up about the fact that we wanted to speak with one another alone. it is okay to mourn, it is okay to have a voice. but like i've said before, the school did what it had to do. i'm sorry if you in any way disagree.

clemenceau May 26 2003, 10:15:21 UTC

No, what the school HAS to do is FIX ITS OWN MESS through FORGIVENESS, not "we don't accept that kind of behavior in our little fantasy land, you're fired." This travesty sounds a little bit like the one Mr. Lewis suffered doesn't it? Don't end up like me and regret supporting a WRONG cause.
What they SHOULD do is reinstate the two teachers at LEAST until the end of the year, and secure their job opportunities elsewhere, if firing them AT ALL. Chip needs to take responsibility and actually DO something for the school. If you don't see how the value of Mr. Brown and Mr. Hart outweighs the MINIMAL error, you're either poorly informed or immoral. And hesitance to fight for good counts as immoral. I've made mistakes similar to the one you seem to be making--DON'T DO IT.

tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 10:20:16 UTC

the "minimal error" is illegal, and may be a felony. nuff said.

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we just have to face the facts supermankbk May 26 2003, 09:06:57 UTC

ya it sucks that the faculty wouldn't alow us to talk to each other alone but that because they're afraid of us they thing we're going to riot or something.

Re: we just have to face the facts tangerinealtoid May 26 2003, 10:04:46 UTC

yeah they're pretty uptight about whatever the seniors are doing for a senior prank.

gonedaddygone May 26 2003, 16:23:00 UTC

Doogie - Well said. I don't know what else there is to say ( ... )

tangerinealtoid May 27 2003, 08:59:15 UTC

i'm afraid that maybe my position isn't as clear as i would like. let me restate it ( ... )

Re: gonedaddygone May 27 2003, 11:32:43 UTC

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Mr. Brown is a very talented teacher. However, when something like this happens in a career, it is hard to rebound. At first, it seemed like there would not be any consequences too devastating, but Mr. Brown has since lost his dream job in Japan. This, unfortunately, will haunt him for the rest of his life. Cy still has tuition to worry about and Jill and Gary still have houses and money to worry about. It's overly optimistic of you to think that artistry could be a sole means of support.

Lastly, I don't think I should say more on here because my tone may be misunderstood and I don't want to embarrass you. I will say one last thing...it seems a bit weird to me to have an 18 year old girl preaching about how this grown professionals should learn from mistakes and think before they act. Just an observation. I doubt you mean to sound that haughty.

tangerinealtoid May 27 2003, 19:26:29 UTC

i may be overly optimistic, but i'd rather that then being a bottom crawler, sucking the joy out of everything, and thriving on the dismal. (not an accusation)
like i've said a thousand times (and for the last time right now) if Japan was truly his "dream job" he should have thought more about what he was doing.
the only person you would embarrass by "saying more" would be yourself.
it's "wierd" for ME to "preach" about thinking before acting, but not for the people who did this morning at announcements?
and if my "preaching" is so "wierd", why come on MY journal (first of all) and continually post on the subject?
i caution you about arguing (or debating, or however you choose to look at it) for the sake of arguing. it's petty.
i have posted/replied on this subject for the last time. i think it has been beaten to death, and i am deeply tired of it. i anxiously await the time when i will no longer have to deal with this issue, all of the other issues that we beat to a pulp, and the people that feel they need to get involved in them

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