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[taniwha]

On that lost post - I forgot to mention, I will set comments to auto-screen, so only i can see them - if you have a guess, but are unsure of spelling or something, you can message me there and i can answer without giving too much away to others.

Oh, and DON'T USE MY JOURNAL AS A PLACE TO TAKE FIGHTS FROM COMMUNITIES.

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[heyunyi]

Hi,

You know, I kind of lost interest in the proveyourgod community after larzmachine told me that it didn't matter what evidence that I posted because it would still be wrong. If someone is so closed minded that he knows my evidence is wrong before even seeing it or knowing what it is, then what is the point? I really appreciate that you'd try to keep the discussion civil for me, but I think with certain people, that is just impossible. I haven't completely ruled out the idea of making a post in proveyourgod community, but I'm really hesitant to do so after I've seen how all the theists have been treated there.

[taniwha]

Look, just don't listen to Larz. There are others there that are interested in hearing what you have to say. Just don't reply to him if you don't want to

[larzmachine]

"it didn't matter what evidence that I posted because it would still be wrong"

And I was right. Your "evidence" was wrong.

[taniwha]

Hey, now, leave her alone in my journal.

[heyunyi]

Hey! So why did you ask to be banned? The last thing I knew you were saying how successful you thought the community was going. What happened?

[taniwha]

Oh, didn't you hear? The community's a failure.

Just ask that brilliant pedant badthingsman. He so wonderful, they all oughta let HIM run it. If he's not too busy being a fucking hypocrite.

I got fed up with little pissants like him complaining every time I removed an annoyance, saying I was a Big Meanie and that it was my personal fault that the group wasn't as good as their beloved "Convert_me" and how I need to bend over backwards to accept anything and everything.

I came within minutes of deleting the group, like in a sci-fi movie when the spaceship gets overrun with slime monsters and they scuttle it, give up the whole ship and let it drift into the sun.

But I decided that it'd be better to leave it to all those super-smart people who obviously know the purpose of the group, and what it needs, better than I do. Fuck 'em, I'm sick of defending myself, and the group's standards for logic, at every turn.

[taniwha]

Did you get the answer you needed now? I would have gladly continued to discuss this all with you - The discussion was going quite well - but I see no reason to ask you to double up the discussion here *and* in _proveyourgod_. It'd be a double workload of writing. I hope you get good discussion, and it's my hope that at some point someone finally shows you, logically, how your arguments for your deity are backwards.

You're not using logic to determine a deity exists and then believing in it. You've picked a spiritual icon to worship and imagine that you feel, and pick and choose philosophical arguments that you *think* prove it enough to rationalize your belief.

That's a fallacy right out of the gate. You've chosen a conclusion and then fiddled the data to try to point to the conclusion you want. That's bad science.

[heyunyi]

Hey thanks for you concern. Actually, I haven’t found any of the conversations I’ve had in the proveyourgod forum to be particularly helpful. I don’t think it’s the best type of forum for me, I’d prefer somewhere where people were a bit less harsh. To me, when people are hateful, that just automatically makes their arguments less persuasive. If they’re right, why do they need to be hateful about it? Of course, I know hateful people can be found among the theists and atheists alike and that's not a real reason for rejecting their arguments, but still, it does have a psychological effect.

[smokeandreason]

Hiya.

This isn't really related to anything, really. I've been a lurker in proveyourgod for a while . . . but usually the discussions become a little too time consuming for me to participate in (albeit I certainly enjoy reading them, even though they occassionally make me feel like a fucktard).

I just wanted to say that after reading your entries, comments, etc., in proveyourgod and your post in convert_me . . . you seriously kick ass.

No, really.

That's all -- now back to your regularly scheduled bullshit, long in progress *grins*

[xt4j_4ever]

You said that if I wanted to know why I was banned, to ask here. So I ask. Why was I banned?

[taniwha]

1) You never proved your god, yet continued to claim that it was infallible and that everyone else must be beholden to it because you say so

[xt4j_4ever]

Fair enough.

Sorry to have troubled you; never imagined my words could be misunderstood so greatly.

I want so much to try to explain further, but I'm afraid only more misunderstanding can arise from anything I say, given that your perception of me is colored both by your previous experiences with those who share beliefs similar to my own as well as things that I've said that maybe were not so wise to say.

I am really, really, and truly sorry that I offended you. I wish I could tell you (and you believe me) that I don't look down on you, that I respect you for your keen intelligence and your active interest in society.

Fare thee well; I really want the best for you, whatever best you choose, in this life or the next.

[taniwha]

I wish I could tell you (and you believe me) that I don't look down on you,

You know I can't believe that. You said clearly that all who aren't filled with spiritual searching are either self-absorbed hedonists or 'half-dead' inside. That's looking down on people. That's assuming that non-spiritual people cannot be either unhappy shells or anything-goes amoral aesthetics. You consider them lesser. How is that not 'looking down' on them?

that I respect you for your keen intelligence and your active interest in society.

And I thank you. But I also wish both that you used the intelligence you really had instead of falling back on faith and never questioning... and that you realized an active interest in society. Remember, sometimes it's just as important to vote against the greater evil as it is to vote for the lesser. In a two-dog race, a vote not cast is a vote thrown away, but it also counts to help the winner when you could hinder him.