ooc: Opinions Sought

[thecajun]

Alright gang, apologies to you kind folks who only want IC cam-crap here.  I promise the next post will be an IC piece that I'm already working on.  But for right now, in the face of yet another denial from global, I'd like to solicit feedback on the response to my denail justification.  I have provided it all here, the back and forth, under cuts,

Comments

[opticaldelusion]

I haven't dealt with global recently, but this club has always seemed somewhat random in what they approve. I don't know if you have to catch the right individual after they got laid, or just have the star align correctly, but it has always seemed like you could put the same app up three times and get an approval, a dumb question, and a flat out denial.

Devil's Advocate

[guillermomerced]

You hit it right on the head in one of your earlier comments.

The OwoD was abused, but more so in the NWoD. For the 1st year or so of the chronicle, they allowed Twillight Projection to be played as it was in the OWod and people would show up to entire games sometimes cons in this way only.

You hit one of Globals fears with this one, giving people back their freedom from thought of death. The problem with all the "weaknesses" of the power is that they are really short sighted. Even if they find out where you are, you can travel there at 500 mph and beat them there with relative ease.

I dunno tho, I'd be pretty pissy if i got knocked down by a lougie.

Re: Devil's Advocate

[doubting_tom]

The lougie power would be pretty cool if you actually got to spit on people

Re: Devil's Advocate

[genial_failure]

Even if they find out where you are, you can travel there at 500 mph and beat them there with relative ease.

Well, that is assuming that they say something like "Ah ha! And now we will go kill your body, muhahahah!" and isn't any more of a problem than standard Twilight Projection or Possession. It would still involve some doing and require subtlety, but a Dominate command to just say "Hey, let's keep discussing this interesting topic." or using Entrancement to say "Oh, your body is vulnerable? I better make sure you're better protected; don't worry, you can trust me."

This devotion is weaker, as standard TP does not leave you open to the same weaknesses, no matter how short sighted, and Possession allows you do things like burn someone's haven down.

Even the torpor fear is essentially pointless with Possession because of the limitation on one-shot kills. Anyone with a brain will flee that body at the start of combat.

Re: Devil's Advocate

[guillermomerced]

I do know how much you like to play devil's advocate, and so I'll indulge you just a little bit.

You say it got abused in oWoD. I suggest that it didn't happen very often, and that it didn't suffer from the drawbacks built into this power, and finally, that the people I saw do that didn't manifest at all, instead kept those arms crossed at all times. So did you really see a lot of people doing it, then manifesting to interact normally the whole time? Did they hurt anything?

On to addressing the real point, though, it wasn't the appropriateness of the power, just the appropriateness of the discussion had with Global.

I'd love to hear your opinions on that, if you'd be a dear.

-H

[genial_failure]

Whenever the concerns voiced on any subject change, I tend to assume it is because they instinctually dislike something and a grasping for convincing arguments.

So, instead of addressing specific concerns I would suggest looking for reasonable concessions. Now, I am obviously biased and think the power is fine as it is, but my keen interest in its existence makes me willing to propose weaknesses I can live with.

For instance, you can make it easier to break while still keeping the basic logic of the power:
"during that time it may walk around and speak normally. It doesn't leave footprints or disrupt the ground, and it cannot perform any physical action. Much like Obfuscate, bystanders will subconsciously aid in maintaining the illusion by avoiding casual physical interaction. Also similar Obfuscate, however, if the user purposely draws attention to his intangible condition, it will break. He cannot, therefore, appear spontaneously in front of people or move through solid objects. Attacks that would usually result in obvious

[sexualcabinetry]

Lame... has he ever played a TP only character? I am at the moment, and considering the devotions that now exist that completely IGNORE the unstoppable nature of TP (the Morotrophian one that blocks off entire cities, for instance), and the reality that there's now a pretty much blanket Invictus directive to ban all Possessions (to the point of gassing people on the way to meetings), it's getting so we're losing all options.

I'm working on a TP devotion that draws on Army of One, allowing myself to manifest multiple TP bodies so it looks like I'm not alone. I'm calling it "Operating Theater".

[lordoflaughter]

Whats a TP only character?

[bintaslan]

Since you requested it....

It seems to be an emotion based decision in the end, the devotion makes the ST staff "uncomfortable." IMO, and granted it is only an opinion, it seems very problematic when rules/st calls are being made exclusively on how an st feels. This isn't the first time I have seen it, but it makes me very "uncomfortable" when it happens. How can a player discuss, justify, debate an ST's emotional response? "You're feelings are wrong"? :( Isn't the point of rules to take the emotion out and put the somewhat more standarized reason and logic in? I don't want a comfortable ST staff - I want a fair one.

*expanded some for the wider population.