What's most important to me is for people to be free to do whatever they want to do as long as everyone actively involved is ok with it
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I'm sure you feel philosophically edgy for this stance, but we both know that you hold it only to instigate other people. If you truly believed this, you would just openly say, "If a 5 year old understands what sex is, and truly consents to sex with an adult, it's okay."
But we both know that it isn't. Which is why you refuse to say it.
I've already said that, very clearly, and I'll say it again. If a 5 year old understands what sex is, and truly consents to sex with an adult, it's okay.
Is that clear? Now, with humans, it's just not gonna happen, unless there is some very interesting genetic mutation that causes puberty to happen at a much younger age. With cats, chimps, whales, and so on, who all mature much faster than humans, and reach puberty (when the sex drive awakens) much, much earlier, then sure it's very likely to happen.
Now I also want to clarify that when I say "sex", I'm not talking about genital play. Childcare experts and even just people who hang out with kids (humans) discover that kids do indeed have a curiosity about their genitals and those of others, and will do some experimenting, which is healthy and normal. Kids have sexual sensations that they don't really understand, but appreciate. This is not sex, though. Sex is, for practical/moral purposes, at least with humans, the conscious intent to have an orgasm and/or intercourse.
I was actually thinking about that when this whole silly discussion was going on. If it's true, then it would be interesting to find out what was going on in her mind. My guess is that she didn't have a clue what was going on, and it wasn't consensual. But who knows.
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But we both know that it isn't.
Which is why you refuse to say it.
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Is that clear? Now, with humans, it's just not gonna happen, unless there is some very interesting genetic mutation that causes puberty to happen at a much younger age. With cats, chimps, whales, and so on, who all mature much faster than humans, and reach puberty (when the sex drive awakens) much, much earlier, then sure it's very likely to happen.
Now I also want to clarify that when I say "sex", I'm not talking about genital play. Childcare experts and even just people who hang out with kids (humans) discover that kids do indeed have a curiosity about their genitals and those of others, and will do some experimenting, which is healthy and normal. Kids have sexual sensations that they don't really understand, but appreciate. This is not sex, though. Sex is, for practical/moral purposes, at least with humans, the conscious intent to have an orgasm and/or intercourse.
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