Freedom of Islamic Religion...

Jul 13, 2010 15:03

Now...  I'm not a fan of religion...  I feel that it holds people back from personal acceptance and finding themselves..  But that's another thought for another day...  Because, while I do not care for religion itself, I fully support complete separation of church and state.  (However, I do support taxing Church income ( Read more... )

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drone_dragon July 13 2010, 20:20:55 UTC
I'd totally flirt and whistle to a Woody in secretary/librarian attire any day.

And while times have improved, that glass ceiling still exists and women still make less than men.

But in all seriousness. I completely agree that the glass ceiling is highly evident now as a stereotype, than it was back in the 40's-50's. And it is inappropriate comments like the one I made above that prove that such stereotypes may be hindering our culture's ability to negate initial judgments and attitudes.

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woodychitwn July 13 2010, 20:26:16 UTC
No whistling in the library!!!

It amazes me that women can still be making less than men, across the board. And while I don't believe that hiring practices are as blatant as they once were, women are definitely NOT seen as equals in the workplace. And part of that, I hate to say, is because of those very trailblazers who got there feet in the door and are still around the office, flirting with all the boys and making sure that the "new girls" are never taken seriously.

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jackmydaniels July 13 2010, 20:26:35 UTC
Who knows what's next? Perhaps France could set aside neighborhoods for Muslims, to keep them safe. Put up walls... Provide security... You know... For their own safety...

That almost sounds like the idea of france making concentration camps which I thought to a be a bit disturbing. :o

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direwolf23 July 13 2010, 20:33:17 UTC
*facepaws*

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jackmydaniels July 13 2010, 22:03:19 UTC
*facepalm*

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woodychitwn July 13 2010, 20:59:58 UTC
That was my point exactly...

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direwolf23 July 13 2010, 20:29:42 UTC
Ellipsis is a mark or series of marks that usually indicate an intentional omission of a word in the original text. An ellipsis can also be used to indicate a pause in speech, an unfinished thought, or, at the end of a sentence, a trailing off into silence. When placed at the end of a sentence, the ellipsis can also inspire a feeling of melancholy longing. The ellipsis calls for a slight pause in speech.

Ellipsis is very tired and doesn't want to be abused anymore, but I have some friends who are very eager to meet you, and whom I think you'll really enjoy. They are: period, colon, dash, and comma.

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woodychitwn July 13 2010, 21:07:32 UTC
I take from your copy/pasted definition and passive-aggressive commentary to punctuation, that you are not a fan of my use of ellipsis. However, I type in a manner similar to how I speak. Which is to say, that I often pause and/or trail off into silence rather than end my sentences abruptly.

For me to not use an ellipsis, requires me to type in a style which seems contrary to the natural flow of speech and as such, results in a sense of over-formality which is not intended.

I can't help but fear that your comment on my punctuation style, and lack of comment on my actual post, means that you are either in a foul mood and thus should be avoiding the internet, or that you have a personal issue with me directly and are choosing to not address it.

Further clarification/justification for your response however, would be appreciated.

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direwolf23 July 13 2010, 21:12:31 UTC
You consistently use the ellipsis incorrectly, and overuse it to the point where your meaning is muddled. Hopefully that's less passive-aggressive.

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woodychitwn July 13 2010, 21:17:14 UTC
That is indeed more direct and appreciated. I am sorry if you feel that my meaning is lost due to my over-use of ellipsis. Unfortunately, I consider it to be a form of self-expression which I have difficulty in suppressing. In deference to our friendship and my deep respect for your opinions, I can make every attempt to NOT use ellipsis when communicating with you directly, however I cannot suppress my every written thought to conform to your expected standards, when your very definition seems to justify my use as correct and justified.

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woodychitwn July 13 2010, 21:08:58 UTC
Well I agree completely... Which is my point exactly. We are not as far progressed when it comes to gender equality as some would have us believe.

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direwolf23 July 13 2010, 20:32:31 UTC
How would you feel about a religion which practiced female circumcision as a sign of purity to avoid being slutty whores that desire to cheat on their husbands like Western women?

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vlad_badger July 13 2010, 20:49:12 UTC
Wearing something vs. cutting off a part of the human body...BIG difference. I'm all for the banning of circumcision (male and female) but banning a type of clothing? punishable by fines and jail time? that's scary and crazy

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direwolf23 July 13 2010, 20:57:34 UTC
It's not just a piece of clothing, and thinking of it as such is naive. It's a tool of subjugation, and don't let anyone tell you different. If Islamic individuals actually cared about modesty and being seen only for their intellectual qualities, both men and women would wear them. Of course they don't because the burka is actually a tool of misogyny.

I'm not going to say I think this is the best approach to phase it out, but let's not pretend as though it shouldn't be.

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llamaslug July 13 2010, 21:01:51 UTC
I agree with you completely.

I don't think this law is the right way about going about it. But the forced misogyny, and forced second-class citizen status that these women are FORCED to endure because of their family, their husbands, and their religion, is also horrible.

These women will not be leered at for wearing western clothing, or even more modest islamic garb, as long as their faces are exposed.

If anything, right now, the women now are LEERED at.

If anything, it removes an identifying feature, and helps prevent these women from being subjugated. This isn't putting on a star, it's taking it off.

Keep in mind, France, and their culture, is VERY different from the United States, treat it as such.

I wish there was an easier answer to this, and a better way to do it, but I'm not that person. I'm not smart enough.

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