the boys in this community help each other perpetuate fucked up patriarchal bullshit. the women these guys leave in their dust need to wake the fuck up and stand up for ourselves already.
The women involved help each other perpetuate that same tired patriarchal bullshit as well. Nothing keeps them from waking up save their belief in it. The guys act the way they do because they believe in it too. Both are stuck in gender roles that don't exist apart from cultural dogma, both are victim and victimizer. Laying blame at the feet of one or the other only addresses a symptom and is itself a symptom of that same dogma.
agreed! living in a "macho" culture here in peru, it's all too apparent how women are just as machista as the men, and the gender roles really do support each other. women expect the men to be a certain way just as the men expect the women to be a certain way.
was gonna write essentially what andre wrote, about the fucked up and false dichotomies of who uses and is capable of using patriarchal behavior to oppress whom, and the fucked up false dichotomies of abuse and who does it to whom and who is capable of doing it to whom and who can commit sexual violence to whom, and how those false dichotomies are perceived and perpetuated especially in this community by reactionary individuals sometimes using the perceived wrongdoings of others to justify patriarchal and oppressive aggression towards others. some people really are committed to encompassing and undermining patriarchy as a system of oppression while (potentially a majority of) others are only concerned with resisting their lived experience of it, meanwhile uncritically oppressing others by means of the same social hierarchy and aggression, if only inversely.
in short words, i cannot equate "standing up" with attacking or debasing, or attacking "back," and don't. that's what i would call patriarchal bullshit.
i am speaking very specifically about the lawrence radical scene and the ways in which men in power manipulate and undermine women. this happens. i am not sure if you see this in your daily life, but i surely do see it in mine and in my friends' lives. i feel like your critique makes it necessary to state that i never said women don't contribute to patriarchal fucked up ways and i would think you are aware that i don't believe other genders don't contribute to the roles we are stuck in. now that i've stated it, that doesn't mean my original post is untrue by any means. i am talking about women supporting each other (something this community sure could use a lot more of) and men supporting each other as well. how many times have people here tried to do something about the increasingly sorry gender relations? how many meetings, conversations, even events have come together because this is a problem? the intelligence of women here is forcibly overshadowed all the fucking time.
i don't disagree with what you just said. but take another look at what you originally wrote and the language therein. a blanket generalization about "the boys in this community", using "boys" adjacent to "women" just as that same inverse gets used with implicit condescension in everyday speech by mainstream folks. actually look at the whole first line. a statement made like a thesis. what i am saying is that your attitudes are present in what you wrote and i think the way you expressed what you did was barbed with the kind of bias, \or prejudice,) that perpetuates increasingly sorry gender relations
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in short words, i cannot equate "standing up" with attacking or debasing, or attacking "back," and don't. that's what i would call patriarchal bullshit.
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