Episode 5.04 - Discussion/Review [spoilers]

[bellajayd]

I don't think I can take the fact that each episode keeps getting better and better. My heart might explode from SQUEE.

Comments

[calcium_yeah]

Argh, no more LJ maintenance on Thursday nights! I'm so happy you put this up, especially because of the convenient numbers:

One - Dean, you do not tell the pretty angel your location and then tell him he can't come over. That's called being a tease, and you're better than that.
Two - That conversation was so heartbreaking--like any time you tried to win back an ex, or fix a relationship that was broken and the other person just didn't want to. Especially if you realize that it may have been their last conversation based on what f!Dean said.
Three - The "Even Cas?" line was exactly what I needed there because I was appalled at f!Dean for including Cas in the decoy squad. I'm glad Dean wouldn't want to be someone who could do that. Tsk, tsk f!Dean.
Four - I'm glad Misha got to play that--pill-popping, human Cas drowing himself in decadence and living without labels.
Five - I expected Dean's Single Crystal Manly Tear of Sorrow (tm) to start sparkling or something. I laughed when I read this, and I laughed again quoting it. I also

[bellajayd]

Hahaa. Your comments can never be long enough!!

I'm glad Misha got to play that--pill-popping, human Cas drowing himself in decadence and living without labels.
I'm glad as well though the implications of Cas' behavior were awful. It sucks that he felt the need to escape from reality that much.

I laughed when I read this, and I laughed again quoting it. I also wasn't immediately sold on JP as Lucifer, but he definitely hooked into some of the mannerisms used by Mark Pelligrino, and by the time he said that no matter what Dean did he'd win, I thought he was great.
Yeah, by the end he had it . . . though I could feel the work it took for him to get there.

Dean, you do not tell the pretty angel your location and then tell him he can't come over. That's called being a tease, and you're better than that.
I KNOW! DEAN WAS BEING A TOTAL COCK TEASE!!

[calcium_yeah]

Oh, I just realized that I can tell myself future!Dean knew that Cas wasn't coping well with humanity, so he grouped him in with the decoys because he knew Cas wasn't cut out for being human.

The main motivations I'm seeing from Cas are all about Dean as opposed to humanity in general, so I could totally buy that he'd looking for a loophole to Dean letting Michael in because he doesn't want Dean to end up like Raphael's vessel. He does care about humanity, but he hasn't referenced it as a whole for some time.

Also, regarding the pink panties, the added awesomeness was the interaction of the two Deans and their mutual kinkiness about kind of liking wearing them.

[bellajayd]

I'm seeing from Cas are all about Dean as opposed to humanity in general, so I could totally buy that he'd looking for a loophole to Dean letting Michael in because he doesn't want Dean to end up like Raphael's vessel.

Yeah. Cas is all about alternate Luci killing methodes: God, the Colt, etc . . .

PINK PANTIES FTW!

[bellajayd]

Yeah, I didn't get the whole apology thing but maybe it was for the rather rude "I never wanna see you again phone conversation?" LOL.

[bellajayd]

Oh yeah Dean was totally right, but I also think he wants Sam close by so he can watch him and make sure doesn't say yes to Luci.

[super_seme04]

<3 Our lovely show is beyond awesome and all things epic, 'nough said.

[bellajayd]

WORD.

AND PINK PANTIES.

[super_seme04]

HE KIND OF LIKED IT.

THE END.

[bellajayd]

I KINDA LIKED THE MENTAL IMAGE AS WELL.

[mushishi7]

Great review

[bellajayd]

In this episode, every second of f!dean broke my heart. He was truly broken inside.
f!Dean was horrifying to watch. He really was missing some pieces inside.

at the end when he talked about his victory, he became totally Lucifer the devil.

Yeah, he really nailed that last part!!

Also - I see you have me friended, would you like me to friend you back?? I didn't know you before this and you did comment at my f-lock post so I wasn't sure :)

[mushishi7]

Yeah, I liked your fanfics very much so friended you :) Feel free to friend me if you like!

I am dying to see some Michael!Dean/Cas or Michael!Dean/Lucifer!Sam stuff.
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I can't agree more here. Jensen has been so good at being the shapeshifter, Dean Smith, the demon!Dean, and future!Dean. I can't wait to see Michael!Dean or whatever other alternative!Dean. And I believe Kripke will make Sam say YES finally. I can't imagine how epic the Michael!Dean/Lucifer!Sam scene will be.

[jya_bd_cp_ttgb]

Maybe Luci was trying to be Sam at first? If the host thing is voluntary then the fact Luci's facing Sam's brother might upset the host and make life difficult for the rotten goatfucker.

[jya_bd_cp_ttgb]

Uhm, forgive the person who's not watching and please correct me if I've somehow missed this in reading the synopsis that people have put out....

Castiel asked Jimmy. Asked the daughter, presumably. Then Jimmy begged to be taken the second time.

Lucifer had to ask his first dude and sounds like he's got to ask Sam.

So how come it's ZACHAASSHOLE that's hopping on Dean's back about taking Micheal in? How come the big bad bitchin' warrior angel himself can't come down and woo his own frigging vessel?

*pops aspirin*

Also *points to first sentence* Please tell me when the caps of Dean in the panties comes out.

[bellajayd]

So how come it's ZACHAASSHOLE that's hopping on Dean's back about taking Micheal in? How come the big bad bitchin' warrior angel himself can't come down and woo his own frigging vessel?

Ok, so when Luci took his current vessel he mentioned that vessels that could contain him were very, very rare. So rare, that he had to go through this whole plot just so YED could have Sam made. Even now Luci's vessel isn't strong enough to fully support him.

Michael, being Luci's stronger brother also needs one of these super special vessels - he can't just come down and possess anyone since they cannot contain him. Thus, Mikey is stuck in Heaven until Dean says yes. This is why Zach is stuck being the angel vessel salesman.

[jya_bd_cp_ttgb]

Ah, gotcha.

Damn, wonder what the hell Momma and Pappa Winchester had the their gene pools to brew the big boys.

And has anyone mentioned Gabriel by the way? His trumpeting is supposed to Herald the Apocalypse? I know somebody got quoted - not on SPN = that "Great, the next sound I hear will probably be Gabriel blowing his horn and I'm about nine Commandments behind."

[bellajayd]

I honestly haven't heard any spoilers about the other two big heavenly beings: Gabriel and Metatron. Though we might see Metatron with God, since he is God's voice.