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Mar 16, 2010 15:07

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Addendum jonathankaplan March 16 2010, 19:11:39 UTC
The process made me go through a very long list to get to some I thought belonged. If you think I made an error leaving you off, I apologize, you are probably right. Too many "Champions" listed.

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michlan March 16 2010, 19:49:31 UTC
Thanks jk!

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jonathankaplan March 17 2010, 19:31:54 UTC
You are welcome, but....

There really should be no need to "thank" me. Jerrod deserves it. But there is no true way to measure poker greatness. Even the long run isn't long enough, cause poker is a game inside a much larger game. Poker's statistical long runs are still only the short run in bigger games, and that messes with all the numbers. In the only long run I am certain of, we are dead.
I wish it weren't so, that poker skill could just be recognized, but then, perhaps not, because we'd be playing chess.

But in the meantime, happy to help. Good luck!

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tiltcity March 16 2010, 20:12:08 UTC
I think I have heard of most of them but can you tell us what the thread is?

I see some finance-ish people, perhaps at a higher proportion than the general population. Also probably more Magic the Gathering players than the general population. But I assume that's not your theme.

The only thing I can think of is that some of these guys won bracelets in stuff other than NLHE... what's the answer?!

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jellymillion March 16 2010, 20:53:53 UTC
Non-NLHE winners was my guess. Or possibly players that are demonstrably more than one-game ponies.

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terrencechan March 17 2010, 02:08:01 UTC
Raymer and Hoss both only hold NLHE bracelets; there may be others on the list with that distinction as well.

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jonathankaplan March 17 2010, 17:40:12 UTC
Actually, there are 4 threads running through these people, but most of them are multi-threaded.
1) I picked every member of the firm I used to work for, SIG. It is amazing there are that many, even given the huge crowd that now has at least one bracelet.
2) I picked players I thought were more than NLHE specialists, with only a few exceptions.
3) I picked people who are highly math oriented, again, with a few exceptions.
4) I picked players I have played against and have no real wish to risk my money against again.

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hgfalling March 16 2010, 21:12:28 UTC
I'm just trying to figure out what I have in common with Devilfish.

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terrencechan March 17 2010, 02:11:48 UTC
The snakeskin clad Mr Ulliot, for instance, reportedly trains by making love for five hours at a stretch-"I like to get a woman and wring her out like a flannel" he told a newspaper - to prepare for playing late into the night.

obv.

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jonathankaplan March 17 2010, 17:42:36 UTC
You made it for being a math whiz incorporating that thinking into poker analysis. Plus, you have some connections with SIG.
Devilfish made it because I have played against him quite a few times and have no desire to do that again.
You both are people I don't want to see at my table. That is the main thread of almost everyone above.

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tiltcity March 17 2010, 18:13:37 UTC
If you playing against Ankenman/Ulliot, you're likely to get pummeled... by either a near-equilibrium strategy or brass knuckles. Maybe in the future they'll have to check their weapons at the door.

BTW, are there other finance firms with strong poker players? I seem to hear mainly about SIG people, and maybe that's just because I have some friends who work or have worked at SIG. But what about other places with quants? I don't know much about finance but I've heard of Citadel, Shaw, Renaissance, etc. Who are their poker players?!

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walterzuey March 16 2010, 21:15:44 UTC
Jews.

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gunga_galunga March 16 2010, 22:50:20 UTC
Rabbi Bill Chen?

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ronsrants March 17 2010, 00:43:57 UTC
Why am I not on the list? Oh wait...nevermind.

-R

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jonathankaplan March 17 2010, 17:45:26 UTC
Lol.
I bet I could get a list of 20 Jews and Arabs and that list would be VERY competitive. Something about money and numbers gets both our groups going....

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