iphone 3G - S (ucks) - Cont.

Jun 09, 2009 08:43

Just for the record - I don't blindly hate Apple. In fact, quite the opposite. I am in awe of them. Apple continually screws its core customer base and yet they beg for more. They have so successfully marketed a superiority complex (overpay for our products or you'll be like that geeky PC guy in our commercials) that what I consider to be otherwise ( Read more... )

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nail on the head casecob June 9 2009, 17:23:49 UTC
My first experience with this planned obsolescence was 2 weeks ago.

My powerbook pro was upgraded automatically by our IT group - and they put Office 2008, replacing Office 2004. This is the first time I've seen that backwards computability has not been supported. But it wasn't far earlier versions of the product - it was the most recent. All the work that I'd done in 2004 was not available to me in 2008. Mac's suggestion? Get the 2004 version of office, save everything down to an earlier level, and then it would be compatible with 2008.

Unacceptable. It's one thing not to have backwards compatibility with much earlier versions of the software, but the most recent?

They also got rid of macro support, which was something that I found very useful, as VBA is a breeze and it's cleaner/easier to embed some scientific transforms (that don't have too many sig fig issues) in VBA than to use many columns of manipulations.

I guess I don't know if it was microsoft or mac that as more responsible, but either way, wtf?

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Re: nail on the head userid1999 June 9 2009, 18:58:54 UTC
The Mac version of Word is a pain in my experience for compatability. I have found that often special characters encoded in a file written with Word on a Mac don't display correctly with Word on a PC.

Does Office 2008 for Mac not have a compatability mode? In Word 2007 for PC, there is a compatability mode that allows it to open .doc files without a problem.

If it's any consolation, the macro support in Word 2007 for PC is somewhat of a mess as well. It's the one spot where I've seen that stuff written for older versions doesn't work quite right. I understood some of those changes to be for the sake of security though.

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Re: nail on the head apparentparadox June 9 2009, 22:38:42 UTC
Office is a Microsoft product. I can't believe that Apple has anything to do with whether it supports previous file formats.

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Re: nail on the head casecob June 9 2009, 22:51:12 UTC
yeah, I guess my diatribe is sorta misdirected.

But it's just, I can't imagine microsoft pulling that stunt on a PC.

To get back to the original post, why is the mac user tolerant of this?

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userid1999 June 9 2009, 19:07:28 UTC
They’ve pushed planned obsolescence to new extremes with product life cycles that are under a year

That's absolutely true. What would Apple have touted this year if they had released the phone with all of these features to begin with? I don't think that this can last forever for them though on the iPhone.

Although, in their defense, that's almost the nature of the electronics business as a whole. All cell phone and computer companies are constantly refreshing their product lines to keep up with the latest components, etc. However, Apple has pushed it to the point where I think people feel compelled to upgrade even though their existing device might still be meeting their needs and functioning. Apple has brilliantly merged fashion and technology in their product cycle.

The cynic in me says that this is why there isn't an Apple tablet yet. They are waiting for the iPhone cycle to play out like that of the original iPod. Then they will do it all over again with that product.

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markosf June 9 2009, 20:26:05 UTC
I'd like to see some references to these reviews on sound quality because the opposite has been my personal experience (but I have had only three other cellphones prior to the iPhone 3G.)

There are two things one usually looks for in a computing platform (iPhone/iTouch included): compatibility and reliability. Some of us who are thrifty still see Apple as a better value to the alternatives.

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noelbear June 9 2009, 23:10:15 UTC
There are plenty to choose from - but here's IMHO the most important - consumer reports. Because they are completely independent and don't accept any advertising dollars they have no reason to tow the Apple corporate line. The iPhone was rated 11th out of the smart phones reviewed. And that is for the 3G version - their original review of version 1 iPhone - rated it even lower.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/phones-mobile-devices/cell-phones-services/smart-phone-ratings/ratings-overview.htm

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markosf June 10 2009, 00:01:41 UTC
Unfortunately I can't read the review as I'm not an online member.

While I love CR for quality and reliability reports of common household appliances, vehicles, paint, etc, I have never chosen them to evaluate sophisticated electronics and certainly not a computer since there are more knowledgable sources for that. No doubt CR is capable of testing how a phone sounds though and I'll just have to trust you on the findings.

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apparentparadox June 9 2009, 22:40:22 UTC
What sold me on a Mac when I had to buy a new computer recently was the underlying OS, which is based on Unix, and is lots more stable than any PC operating system I've run. Besides, I've used Unix-based systems for a long time, and just know how they work.

What kills me personally is people who keep buying PCs even though their OS has sucked (and seems to be getting worse with every "upgrade").

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jdawg1974 June 10 2009, 04:32:34 UTC
My sound quality with my 3G is actually quite good.... better than most phones I've ever had, and I used to work in the industry. As for the call drops, iPhone may rate lower than other phones simply based on hardware, but a lot of it is AT&T. I use my phone in several markets on a regular basis, and Chicago is much worse than other markets ( ... )

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jdawg1974 June 10 2009, 04:33:14 UTC
PS.... was nice to see you at my Party on Saturday over Memorial Day.... hope ya had FUN!

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noelbear June 10 2009, 17:25:35 UTC
PPS thanks for the invite. I had fun

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