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she_thing August 16 2005, 18:59:36 UTC
While I mostly agree with you, not all of that is true. I'm not as sure about the Egyptians, but Greek women got the short end of the stick as well as Christian women -- and then got beaten with it. Women in Ancient Greece had absolutely no legal rights and were considered to be property. A woman out on the streets with anyone besides a close relative (i.e. husband, brother, or father) was automatically labeled a whore, a shame to her family, and from that point on pretty much condemned to the life of a spinster in their family's house ( ... )

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skeeser August 16 2005, 19:20:08 UTC
you're absolutely right about greece. they couldn't own property or participate in sports. i guess i wasn't so much speaking politics and roles, rather about body image, and art.
i have yet to read about clay tablet pin-up calendars depicting women with with enhanced beauty. my view of it is that their bodies were appreciated for what they were.
...and sexual freedom. why do we have such a problem with that? why are we supposed to suppress the function that perpetuates life (and pleasure:P)?

christians, by far, were not the first sadists in the neighborhood but they increased executions and torture like it was a fad. i don't have them handy but the statistics are crazy.
and then, to go from all of the amenities of greece to the primitive dark ages...it's curious, isn't it?

-wait a second, why am i discussing this with you? get back in the kitchen, tramp!

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she_thing August 16 2005, 21:46:27 UTC
Ah, ok body image -- yeah. Well I think that's more of a recent thing. It really wasn't until the corset and supermodels that societies really started going "women aren't perfect the way they are, bring on the starvation and botox injections!"

But I always marvel when I look at paintings by DeGas and others who did ballerinas, because, well, they've got meat on them. It's weird, but so much better.

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skeeser August 17 2005, 13:52:07 UTC
i don't think it's wierd at all. i see them as glowing and full of life. what's strange is that i sometimes think i'm overweight when i know i'm not and i'm far from unhealthy.
i read yesterday that only 3% of americans lead a healthy lifestyle (which they break down into something like eating 5 fruits and vegetables a day, and excercise)

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hopefoot August 17 2005, 01:02:22 UTC
I think I would have rather have been a woman than been a sheep. They must have eaten a lot of mutton back then.

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skeeser August 17 2005, 13:47:39 UTC
poor sheep. they didn't have electric clippers back then to shave them either. :(

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