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[themigbutcher]

i have trouble saying "christian" with a straight face anymore.
how am i going to call myself a christian when christianity is the opposite of what jesus wanted for his people. think of how many christians follow one of the two rules Jesus said were most important? im sick of "christianity" and im sick and tired of "christians" thinking their real

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[xdeathtomex]

man, youre so freakin right. i have this convo sometimes with my parents. i know i dont go to church regularly, but i really cant stand how it IS a social gathering and not what its told to be. sounds like more people need to listen to Norma Jean more, because in Memphis, he states "Christ is not a fashion".

amen on that one and im with mig on this one.

set your body ablaze,
mike <3

[xshinesthroughx]

So you think that when jesus went from church to church and talked that all he did was talk and then leave.

I think not. Jesus stayed, hung out, had dinner, talked and whatever else. Why? B\c in a church there needs to be Unity and Transparency. and how is there going to be that w\o fellowship? Now. When you are in church worshiping thats different. But How can you say that hanging out w\ people is bad. Or we shouldnt. thats when your veiws have become warped and you need to get it all straight.

xxx
pillz

[themigbutcher]

there is a major difference between fellowshiping in spirit, and hanging out. fellowship leads to unity, but just hanging out makes cliques and makes people hate one another. when you have a bunch of kids fellowshiping, people are eddified. but when all you do is hang out, people are going learn to hate one another.

and by the way... i wasnt banning hanging out with christians. im sick of social gatherings full of christers who go just to see their friends. and yes, jesus did hang out... but most of the gospels are JESUS speaking for a reason. we dont have detailed accounts of party games and inside jokes from jesus parties... we dont have a bunch of video tapes of kids playing volley ball and staying up late playing video games, we have a record of what Jesus said because its more important to learn then to hang out and eat junk food with your friends.

<3
mig

ohman

[backseatrocker]

every word of this is true and it sucks that people can't realize that todays "christianity" is NOT what Jesus wanted at all. I have seen to many "good christians" kill themselves over the religion and church aspect of christianity.

"the end of religion is the beginning of relationship"

this is probably one of the best and heartfelt things I've ever read.
Iloveyouforthis.

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[themigbutcher]

somehow right in the back of my head when i was writing this there was a little part of my head that wasnt fuming mad and it was thinking about you and i just knew you'd have something positive to say and make my day completely wonderful.

<3
mig

[crzynbtfl]

i agree with you 100%, mig. Billy Graham said it best when he said the biggest reasons for people becoming athiests is christians. and that's sad, but it's so true. christians are so worried about themselves and staying in their own little box and rarely take part in what the whole point of being "christ like" means.
i am also tired of christians getting together with the same group over and over, never bringing anyone new, never witnessing, never holding eachother accountable, never building eachother up.
it seems like all they do is talk crap about eachother behind eachother's backs then put a smile on their face when that person comes around.
it sucks.
but what i have been trying to remember is that the problem with "people" is just that . . . they are "people". born with a human nature of sin. they will always mess up, always let you down and never be perfect. the best we can do is pray for them and be an example.
that's just my opinion anyway.
but mig i totally understand your frustration. totally.

[themigbutcher]

its really sad how christians go to church to feel strong and feel like they can take on the world. and then when they get into the world they seperate themselves into little christian subgroups of christians to help them survive. and then when they go home [most of them] to a christian home where they feel safe. they're so scared of being exposed to 'sin' and 'sinners.' when jesus hung out with prostitutes, tax collecters, and all the 'sinners' of his day.

and they dont understand that God is like food, not cigarette smoke. you need God to survive and to be strong so you can handle viruses, handle movement, and handle every day stresses and ailments. cigarette smoke you just take it in, enjoy it for a moment, and blow it right back out. and that's what most of these kids do. they take in God, sit there and enjoy it while it's comfortable, but when it starts to burn their lungs and make them sick [by putting forth obsticles and requirments] they spit it out as fast as they can.

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mig

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[crzynbtfl]

cigarette smoke . . . . what a great analogy! Mig you should be a writer

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[kissintherain]

I'm not sure what to say because somebody would probably shoot back at me and take whatever I type the wrong way... but I want to at least say something. I see what you're saying and I understand what you mean, but it seems like you're bringing everybody who is -trying- to follow God down and grouping them all up. It makes me wonder if people should even try anymore because everybody has their own opinions on what a "real christian" should do or say or think... People should be able to socialize at least some while at church because it does build relationships and that's what helps bring everybody together. Maybe you should try talking to anybody who restricts themselves to their own little group instead of welcoming all others, if that is something that is bothering you or isn't christian-like. Instead of trying to get away from the people who bring you down with their sins, maybe you should get closer to them and help them realize what their doing and make them change. It would probably have more of an effect. But who knows, maybe I

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[themigbutcher]

i guess i didnt make it clear.

im mad at people who go to church only to socialize.

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let's hang out sometime soon lauren
mig

Hey brother

[bleedseason]

I'm in the navy. I've lived on board a submarine with 150 guys for the past 5 years almost. Imagine those christian "cliques" you described, then reverse it. imagine listening to cuss words and lewd comments about women every 15 seconds, being made fun of for being a virgin almost daily, routinely having to stay up and not sleep because the rest of the guys in your bunkroom are watching porn so you cant go in there (well you could i guess, but i chose not to). I long to be surrounded by christians. Yeah, theres fakes. a lot of fakes. but to be in an environment that poses the possibility of GOOD company (lest we forget - bad company does corrupt good morals), I'll take that any day. The church is a mess man, but the world is worse. I've seen the worst, those things i described are nothing. Count your blessings that you see the corruption instead of being taken into it, and count your blessings that there is at least some beauty among the ruins (otherwise you'd never even know it was ruined.) Anyway, I'm getting out of the

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[themigbutcher]

man, i just thought of what people might think about your name... sorry dude. haha

i know it must be pretty hard to be where you're coming from, i worked on an oil rig with my grandpa for 1 week and i know that's not the place for me. i appreciate you commenting.

<3
mig

[anonymous]

God created "church" or fellowship for believers to draw a sense of unity and for nonbelievers to find God. if you don't go to church, or "come l ate and leave early" as you put it, who are you going to reach? if you only reach out to people outside church, then, which is your only other option if you're not going to hang aruond at church where people come to find God, the people outside the church will never get to see God at work in his church, where so many good things have happened.

maybe you shouldn't be so bitter. you turn people off and you start to look like a hypocrite.

[themigbutcher]

i really wish i could sit through a fellowship meeting or some sort of "hangout time" and not notice the gossip, not notice the hateful stares accompanied by plastic smiles. and i would give everything i have to see the majority of people loving christ with all their hearts.

God did create the church for fellowship... but God created man too, and he was corrupted. and God created Satan. I come to church to learn, not to get the news on the latest gossip "prayer requests". therefore i dont really need to talk to anyone while i'm there except people i know i can learn from. or people i know i can help. i'll build the body as much as i can when im there... but im never going to be caught tearing it down with a bunch of kids outside on the porch