Meditative Thoughts

[thorsbaby]

One, Is there any negative or conflictive emotion whose source can not be attributed to ignorance?

Two, Is will power counter or supportive to the concept of dependent rising?

Three, Is there any manly man who dislikes Hells Bells by AC_DC?

Comments

[thorsbaby]

Sorrow? Hmmm... I'm not sure sorrow is negative.

Mourning the loss of someone does them honor, and makes you think on the lessons they showed you. It kind of allows them to live on in a sense.

A Buddhist would say we were ignorant of the fact that they did not inherently exist to begin with...

as to Two...
The concept of dependent rising is where we are products of our past and events that surrounds us.
Did my Will allow me to change my perception or was my will a result of my situation?

No thoughts on three? :)

[sigtyrdaviking]

I'm so far from a manly man... needless to say, I hate that song.

[thorsbaby]

You need to hear it *right* before a fight to appreciate it, I think.

[mrgrumpybear]

I think there are a number of negative emotions that can exist without ignorance, but that is just my opinion.

Sadness/sorrow - You have left and I am sad. I feel loss for myself. I know why you left. I am happy for you things will better elsewhere. I still feel sad/sorrow that I must continue in your absence.

Guilt - I have done something hurtful. I knew it would be hurtful to another when I did it, yet I did it anyway. I still feel badly.

Depression - I know my situation is better than some. I know it is worse than others. I cannot find a way to make myself feel better about the situation.

Grief - I know the person I've lost has gone on to a better place, has shed the pain of this life, has become one with everything, has achieved peace. I am still, burdened by my loss and the knowledge that I must continue by myself.

[mrgrumpybear]

... and I do not know that song. I leave the manly manness of listening to AC/DC to magpiemss

[thorsbaby]

I'm not 100% sure sorrow is negative.., but doesn't sorrow require and ignorance of the "now"? Also, my response to Lisa above.

Guilt could be said to be an ignorance of consequences or an ignorance of options for actions that would not have caused harm?

Depression could be ignorance of Joy.

Grief is linked with sorrow in my thought, but it is different enough that I would need to think on it.

[satakieli]

How about jealousy? It's born of insecurity and lack of trust, which, though they are quite possibly moral failings, I wouldn't tend to characterize as ignorance.

Two I refrain from commenting on because I would descend into excessive circularity, and three I disavow all knowledge of.

[thorsbaby]

Lack of trust could be ignorance of the other person's virtue or (more likely) ignorance of one's own worth.

[livemeat]

But it could equaly be born of enlightenment as to the lack of scruples of others!

Interesting question :)

[bubbette]

3. Roller skating as a teenager to that song. Great memory.

[thorsbaby]

Back in Black at the rink...

Nothing else need be said.